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post #76 of 267
sorry kid...i still don't get it. the people i know who have critiqued rays designs have earned their opinion via experience and can back it up.

the people who have different opinion, who have earned said opinion by experience, can also back up what they say.

I have not earned an opinion whatsoever regarding his designs.

In my own field I have yet to meet a university student who has earned their opinion. It can take years, decades even.

My suggestion is if one cannot add clarity to the debate, don't join the debate.

Sit back, and listen and absorb. Drawing a conclusion is a great excuse to stop thinking (I read that one somewhere recently, don't recall where).
post #77 of 267
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
Trust your own ears I guess. If it sounds good to you and works - who cares?

As I mentioned earlier, almost impossible. Due to location & availability in that location. That's why those who have no chance of trying it have to base our purchase on the manufacturer's description as well as reviews.
post #78 of 267
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
Guys, about the designing....
I think that people who argue that Ray's stuff is poorly designed should look elsewhere because many people would argue otherwise. Trust your own ears I guess. If it sounds good to you and works - who cares?
That's a pretty silly stance to take. If it sounds good to you and works who cares? If that is all you care about that's fine. I'm completely okay with that. But don't even try to claim that I or anyone else should ascribe to that belief.

As for my beliefs? Well I can list a few, whether you subscribe to them or not that's your business, not mine. I care not.

I believe things should not only sound good, but how well they are able to resolve should scale with cost.

The ability of an amp to resolve correlates with how linear it is.

Linearity correlates with good design, build and well-chosen parts.

There may be exceptions, but they are exceptions and not a majority case.

So how are Ray Samuel's designs? I've seen a lot of pretty good arguments from people that have serious design/DIY/EE chops that they are nothing special and sometimes even poorly implemented.

You claim that you can bring out many people that will argue otherwise, but who are these people and how would they qualify their arguments? Why have none stepped up? All you have are people that say they sound good.

I am happy they are satisfied customers, but this thread is about design no?

Unfortunately, I doubt anybody who has swayed me to their point of view will post in this thread due to various past experiences. But the information is out there if people really want it.
post #79 of 267
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So, it would be reasonable to not expect hiss with the equipment used to voice the amps.
This is one of those rare times when I feel I can speak for Ray and tell you that he'd disagree with that statement almost entirely. I know for a fact that he tests his equipment with all sorts of headphones including the freakiest pair of UE10's I've ever seen. Stick to what you KNOW.
post #80 of 267
ingwe, you must almost be tracking my posts!

Like I said before, it is really hard to trust reviewers and I have a tendency not to. I learned early on just how subjective this hobby is and will rarely, if ever by a piece of equipment I have yet to try or try something similar by the same manufacturer. If I take the plug - it is at a rather minimal cost.

I know it sucks for the remote members, but that is why we have meets + local networks of people.

I am very sorry you were disappointed, but that is a LARGE part of this hobby.
When you get into the upper echelon of components, it comes down to MANY different points as to whether that is what is right for you (matching, voicing, etc.).

It is perfectly valid to bring up that the AMP did not perform like the description, but other head-fiers are people too and people are influenced by more than just their ears in a review.
post #81 of 267
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This is one of those rare times when I feel I can speak for Ray and tell you that he'd disagree with that statement almost entirely. I know for a fact that he tests his equipment with all sorts of headphones including the freakiest pair of UE10's I've ever seen. Stick to what you KNOW.
I asked him and that is what was said, if you wish a removal then so be it.
post #82 of 267
Sorry to see you go, Asr.

I haven't listened to any RSA gear, so no comment. I'll give Ray's gear a listen at CanJam '09.
post #83 of 267
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Its where the demons dwell, where the banshees live (and they do live well).
And 'Tis a magic place, where the moon doth rise with a dragon's face
post #84 of 267
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
I asked him and that is what was said, if you wish a removal then so be it.
He told you that to expect his gear to sound good with anything other than his preferred headphones is unreasonable? Cause that's what you said.
post #85 of 267
this thread looks like it has gone way off course again.
post #86 of 267
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Originally Posted by vcoheda View Post
this thread looks like it has gone way off course again.
What little course it had, perhaps. I'll steer clear and let it get back on track.
post #87 of 267
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
ingwe, you must almost be tracking my posts!
What is your point? Specifically?
post #88 of 267
As amusing as this is, there are PM's for a reason. As one member interested in the actual topic, I and others I am sure, would appreciate if you used them.
post #89 of 267
put me on ignore, seriously
post #90 of 267
I haven't posted in a long time and really wanted to stay out of this thread and just read. Please quit focusing on the man and focus on the amps. I don't know Ray or his amps and hearsay counts for little on the net.

My 1500th post is in dedication to ASR, you will be missed.

Please don't question his motives or Rays. This information is actually important, more so then ourselves this time. Sorry if I offended anyone.

The next post should contain actual information related to design like pictures and explanations, not opinion any longer.
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