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post #31 of 267
8/6/08 at 1:30pm
Very informative post, recstar24! Some of the things you posted is something new to me.

But yeah, it doesn't change the fact that some information provided whether it be from the manufacturer or users, are inaccurate, like the Predator's case. And I'm not pointing just at RSA. There are other products from other manufacturers which aren't described accurately.
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post #32 of 267
8/6/08 at 2:09pm
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But yeah, it doesn't change the fact that some information provided whether it be from the manufacturer or users, are inaccurate, like the Predator's case. And I'm not pointing just at RSA. There are other products from other manufacturers which aren't described accurately.
Feedback should be as honest as possible. However, I wonder on some occasions whether reviewers err on the side of caution because the seller is also a Headfier?

Good feedback should suppy the seller with info for (maybe) future changes to the product. A good seller should take notice of comments/suggestions. Free customer feedback is valuable.

I wasn't over the moon about some aspects of the Move but I think that the issues that I had with it have been changed with the introduction of the 2nd version. Good on the seller!!

We need to be honest so that at least the sellers of products know what we do and don't like. At least then, they have the opportunity to react by producing a 'new' version or leave it as it is and grow or diminish with the market for the product.

Ian
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post #33 of 267
8/6/08 at 2:13pm
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Very informative post, recstar24! Some of the things you posted is something new to me.

But yeah, it doesn't change the fact that some information provided whether it be from the manufacturer or users, are inaccurate, like the Predator's case. And I'm not pointing just at RSA. There are other products from other manufacturers which aren't described accurately.
I concur - with the nature of the internet and a forum of this influence and magnitude, I think it will always be an issue. Coupled with the fact that a lot of us get to know, meet, and personalize with the manufacturers especially of amps, users will always take things a little bit more personal than some random corporate entity. Nothing new there, but I agree with you that this is something that could be improved upon - I know when I 1st started here I was very enthusiastic and glowing with my recommendations, and only through years of listening and owning gear have I been able to be a bit more objective.
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post #34 of 267
8/6/08 at 2:17pm
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Moreover, there is no such thing as a 100% silent tube amp. If you want 100% silent, you need a very, very good SS amp. I have (as everyone knows) tested 40 portable amps, and they all have some level of hiss, and the RSA amps were quieter than most, but not completely silent.

Ray can be a little prone to waxing poetic about his products on his website. But again, no more so than other manufacturers. Singlepower, whose amps I enjoy greatly, is just as prone to marketing hyperbole, and let's not even start to compare RSA and Singlepower as businesses.
I take your other points but I don't think there is an excuse for making claims you can't back up. If other manufacturers are doing it, as well, all the worse.

Call it waxing poetic, it's simply providing inaccurate information to your potential customers and bad business because it will come back to bite you at some point...
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post #35 of 267
8/6/08 at 4:46pm
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I take your other points but I don't think there is an excuse for making claims you can't back up. If other manufacturers are doing it, as well, all the worse.

Call it waxing poetic, it's simply providing inaccurate information to your potential customers and bad business because it will come back to bite you at some point...
I actually agree with this completely - I was just indicating that RSA is not unique here.
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post #36 of 267
8/6/08 at 5:06pm
Not sure about that one. Once, not that long time ago, I wrote some thoughts about Darth Beyers. The basics were like, I wasnt impressed by them and doubted that the mods were helping either. And that was removed, can you tell me why? I do not care about the mods, schmods and everything goes with them, but when it comes to my opinion, please, stay away or just try to tell me something. Removing is easy, but is that an solution....?

cheers

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I think that it's silly to assume that this thread will be removed or altered in any way by the mods, unless someone drags it down into personal attacks, so let's hope that doesn't happen
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post #37 of 267
8/6/08 at 5:08pm
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I think that it's silly to assume that this thread will be removed or altered in any way by the mods, unless someone drags it down into personal attacks, so let's hope that doesn't happen.
Well you saw yourself this thread get deleted. I saw it altered last night within its first 30 minutes, witnessing 3 posts get deleted. Why? I don't know. However silly your assumption may have been, it was and became true on both counts.

I do know that every action has a reaction, and I've reacted in a way that I think will be best for all involved.

This is my last post on Head-Fi.
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post #38 of 267
8/6/08 at 5:12pm
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This is my last post on Head-Fi.
My heart seriously skipped a beat when I read that.

Say it's not true!
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post #39 of 267
8/6/08 at 5:26pm
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Well you saw yourself this thread get deleted. I saw it altered last night within its first 30 minutes, witnessing 3 posts get deleted. Why? I don't know. However silly your assumption may have been, it was and became true on both counts.

I do know that every action has a reaction, and I've reacted in a way that I think will be best for all involved.

This is my last post on Head-Fi.
I sincerely hope that isn't true. Your posts, product impressions and reviews are among the most concise, informative and careful on this site, as is the BS-free nature of your posting. Every great forum needs its sharp, sensible and level-headed members (and even its provocateurs and scourges) as well as its boosters and enthusiasts if it's to remain honest.

o
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post #40 of 267
8/6/08 at 5:32pm
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This is my last post on Head-Fi.
Oh, well!
just want to say that its been nice to have you around here at Head-Fi, and that you will be missed. Stay safe!
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post #41 of 267
8/6/08 at 5:36pm
Don't wanna be a downer, but this is by far the saddest thread i've read on head-fi, unfortunately ...
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post #42 of 267
8/6/08 at 5:40pm
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Well you saw yourself this thread get deleted. I saw it altered last night within its first 30 minutes, witnessing 3 posts get deleted. Why? I don't know. However silly your assumption may have been, it was and became true on both counts.

I do know that every action has a reaction, and I've reacted in a way that I think will be best for all involved.

This is my last post on Head-Fi.
I too certainly hope this is NOT actually your last post on head-fi! If it is, you will be sorely missed.

With respect to the thread, exactly what I predicted DID happen - it was removed (temporarily) and then altered due to some gutter-dragging, at least according to this (quoted from another thread):

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I was actually on the phone with another Head-Fi'er for the last two hours or so. I noticed, while I was on the phone, that the thread was moved to a Moderator forum, then it was put back in the Main Forums right about the time I was off the phone, with a couple of posts removed (referencing an unrelated headphone amp manufacturer).

I didn't move it, and I didn't put it back, but I do understand why the posts that were removed during its deletion were removed.

As for that style of moderating, I've done it before myself. I've also done what n_maher suggests, which is to lock the thread and prune as needed. I think it's a relevant thread, but I do understand and support the pruning that took place.
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post #43 of 267
8/6/08 at 6:40pm
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I do know that every action has a reaction, and I've reacted in a way that I think will be best for all involved.

This is my last post on Head-Fi.
that certainly would be a loss to the head-fi community. although i'm still unclear about the reason. maybe he just needs a break.

hopefully Asr will return soon. his posts are certainly some of the better ones.

vcoheda
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post #44 of 267
8/6/08 at 6:45pm
One of my favorite posters. Sad, but leaving the forum doesn't do anything to help it. Only gives you the short term of satisfaction of flipping it off, so to speak. Hope you reconsider.
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post #45 of 267
8/6/08 at 6:54pm
So he disservices the community and himself to do what? Sorry to see him go and I enjoyed his posts but that seems childish.
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