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These debates about whether design A is superior or inferior to design B from a "technical standpoint", or on paper, or in theory, or on Plato's ideal abstract plane always mystify me, frankly.

There's only one measure of how good an audio product is, and that's how it sounds *to you*, in your system with your your ears. Wow, it's the latest, greatest design, but it doesn't move you or involve you in the music, so what is its value?
I agree with you that sound is all that matters, but more often than not, good designs are associated with good sound.

If you take the Raptor for example, some people have dissected this amp and have found that it is designed to fail with low-impedance phones. No surprise there, most of the reviews tell that it doesn't sound good with Grados, but it's alright with Sennheisers.
post #122 of 267
It's easy to take comments from a post out of context and try to make meaning of them. If we take the entire OP post, the meaning seems clear to me that he is seeking to validate what appears to be a grudge against the manufacturer and/or his products. Words not withstanding the OP dragged up an old thread from 9/3/05. No longer has the amp and has moved on to his audio nirvana. Get over it already!

This is not a pursuit of a particular design or purported antiquated design or design flaw. This is nothing more than a witch hunt. I'm moving on and hope the OP can as well.
post #123 of 267
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Originally Posted by gp_hebert View Post
some people have dissected this amp and have found that it is designed to fail with low-impedance phones.
"Some People" seem to have that impression of EVERY amp that was designed by anyone other than those "people". "Designed to fail" is "some people's" specific term for it in fact, and I think that is inflammatory. I admit I am not technically qualified to prove or disprove it, but one must consider the source of such statements. I *highly* doubt that Ray Samuels *designed* his amp to fail under any circumstance.
post #124 of 267
As far as the circuit design I have a feeling some DIY people might have a tendency to post spiteful comments because of the fact that Ray conceals the chips he uses, which IMHO he has every right to do to protect his designs.

I also think the level of questioning the moderators in this thread and others recently has been very distasteful.. as others have pointed out head-fi is not a government, it's a privately run forum and by posting here you should accept the way it's run.. if you don't then please move along.

And for the record my Tomahawk, to my ears with the phones I've tried, has no detectable hiss at any volume.
post #125 of 267
Well now its a "defending the thread", thread,, and a "why do mods do that", thread.

Its not a "do rays amps have a design flaw" thread.


Really, you can take any amp, and if youre knowlegable you can think of improvements and say theres a design flaw. Just because you can think of ways to improve an amp doesnt mean its design is flawed. Also, maybe improvements to you arent improvements to the designer, like....maybe you do a mod and it warms up the sound, but maybe the designer doesnt want the sound warmer.

A flaw should be , the amp has an over heating problem, or sparks, etc., and not just one amp, but many amps have the same problem and then can be said that it has a problem with its design.
Such as with one of Meiers amps. It had a headphone jack that was a little flakey, so Meier heard about it and changed it.
There, problem solved.
Its not that he used a cheap componant. The one he originally chose was considered a good well-made part, but for some reason it gave some people a crackly conection, so he changed it and made it better.
Nothing you buy is perfect, but as long as the maker is willing to try to make a quality product and stands behind it, i see no reason for flaming.
Everyone also has personality flaws, and i see no reason to flame a product line because someones personality rubs you wrong, when 100's of other people dont have a problem.

I get ticked off sometimes when a mod deletes posts also.
Sometimes i just wanted to know what the deletion was, and why it was deleted. Maybe id agree with the deletion, or maybe not.
Maybe sometimes a mod has seen so many thread derailments that they can see farther ahead than i can about where this thread is going?
In this case, i think this thread has been derailed far off course, and in the beginning i didnt see it.
Maybe part of the reason was because of the deletion, or maybe not....but its derailed.
I think at this point, no moving of the thread to the diy section or changing the title can help it.

Personally, i think most people like Rays amps, and there are no "major" design flaws in them that are dangerous, nor have made anyone not enjoy the amps sound, nor have there been a large number of his amps failing, and the very few that had a problem were fixed or replaced in a professional manner.
Yes some DIY guy or amp builder can find changes theyd like to make in the design with ANY amp, but people are obviosly happy with them the way they are, and if the OP isnt comfy with it, then buy some other amp while the rest of the owners are happy with their toys.
Ive never owned an RSA amp, but im waiting for the new RS71A, and i may buy one,...ill see.

I dont see how any further answers can satisfy the OPs original question, or intention from this thread, IMHO.
post #126 of 267
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Originally Posted by Drag0n View Post
I dont see how any further answers can satisfy the OPs original question, or intention from this thread, IMHO.


Oh, I think the OP's original intentions have indeed been satisfied by this thread. And further posts, which will undoubtedly come, will further satisfy this intention.

post #127 of 267
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Originally Posted by Orcin View Post
Oh, I think the OP's original intentions have indeed been satisfied by this thread. And further posts, which will undoubtedly come, with further satisfy this intention.

Actually, you may be quite right.
post #128 of 267
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
"Some People" seem to have that impression of EVERY amp that was designed by anyone other than those "people". "Designed to fail" is "some people's" specific term for it in fact, and I think that is inflammatory. I admit I am not technically qualified to prove or disprove it, but one must consider the source of such statements. I *highly* doubt that Ray Samuels *designed* his amp to fail under any circumstance.
I won't post the names nor the source here as it will surely get deleted, but the people I'm talking about are highly respected in the DIY community. You can probably figure yourself who I'm talking about.

BTW, I was not trying to bash Ray with my post, I was just refuting markl's post in which he said that sound is all that matters and technical stuff is not important.
post #129 of 267
I think I will chime in with few summaries:

1. RSA can and should hide any part of its circuit under "trade secret" if his competition/public would derive value from learning that secret. He will likely loose his "trade secret" protection if he voluntarily reveals or discloses his circuit details or fails to take reasonable steps to guard his secret.

2. Unless RSA expressly made any warranty on the sound signature with respect to a particular headphone, the only guarantees RSA has ever made and will make are implied. Those warranties include, among others, RSA amp is not defective on its workmanship, and RSA amp performs as a headphone amplifier, i.e. it will drive a typical pair of headphone to a reasonable volume. That's it! Unless you have written warranty regarding its sound quality...I think you are SOL on that.

3. Headfi is a private organization and the users are subject to its user (license) agreements. Much like how I can dictate what can and cannot be said in my home by a visitor (I extended the visitor a license to come onto my property), Headfi, likewise, can dictate what can and cannot be said on its site.
post #130 of 267
Oh, so all of a sudden this thread is open again. After being locked down for 8 hours.
Makes me wonder why it was locked in the first place...
post #131 of 267
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Oh, so all of a sudden this thread is open again. After being locked down for 8 hours.
Makes me wonder why it was locked in the first place...
I didn't close it but perhaps it was done by mistake and that's why it was re-opened. Is anything missing that wasn't already deleted before it was closed?

If you want to participate in the thread, go for it. No need to start guessing as to why it was closed and by implication that there was something sinister going on. If you have nothing on topic to add, move on.
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post #134 of 267
Skylab - There certainly is such a thing as a 100% silent tube amp. Not sure where you developed that misconception.

Asr - Drama queen moment? Or did I miss something?

As for the discussion on the technical merits of RSA amplifiers, I will leave that to folks who have more knowledge on the subgect. As for the sound, not my cup of tea generally, but in the right rig I've heard them sound excellent. Ray is a great guy on a personal level of course, but he is a salesman, and you have to keep that in mind.
post #135 of 267
I thought the Raptor was only released last year. The title of this thread might be misleading ? This is about a particular Raptor and not about the entire RSA amps, isn't it ?
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