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post #16 of 435
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Meridian G08, thick sound with less defininition then players at hald the price. Typically when you have lack of focus that might be traded for a midrange musicality unfortunately this was not the case. All around fail in my opinion that sells to this day on the manufactures name cache. This player is obliterated by the Ayre cx7e and exemplar 2900/3910 players.
I don't have enough time with the G08 to comment, but I am a fan of Exemplar Audio's sources. I own a loaded 3910, and his new DAC (A modded Xindak DAC5) for use with the Exemplar music Server, and his new SCD3000 (Modded Shanling SCD3000) SACD/CD player. So I basically agree.

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VPI scout and scoutmasters, lifeless and thick and plodding signature that just astonishes me given their popularity. They need to be matched with bright carts to offset the thick overtones that table exhibits. 70s/80s direct drive high end consumer tables eat the scout for lunch and are on par of better than the scoutmaster for pennies on the dollar. The aries tables I have heard do seem to be better for some reason not sure why as they share many of the same design characteristics but they are better.
Whew! I dodged your bullet here, since my table is a Super Scoutmaster and you didn't dis it.

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AKG 701 I will never understand this headphone as IMHO it is the official headphones of androids as it is sterile and lifeless. If you want to bored into submission buy this headphone. One caveat is I am a jazz and rock listener and the 701 may play well in the classical genre I'll never know.
Wow! How can we agree concerning the Exemplars and disagree so much concerning the K701's?

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Many newer dacs that are highly touted here and elsewhere, benchmark, lavry... these have a treble glare and haze that makes them tough to listen to after about an hour. Give me a good 10-15 year old dac with a well made output stage over these modern marvels anyday.
Totally agree! State of the art digital with a mediocre output stage is still mediocre.

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At the end of the day it is imperitive that the listener make up their own mind on what their sonic objectives are and align their purchases with those objectives. DO NOT blindly follow reviews particularly from magazines as they have an adgenda. Professional reviewers at times are better writers than listeners and are hired for thier writting skills as much or more than their audio listening prowess. One thing I found helpfull was to go to meets and get an idea of the sound I liked and seek out headfi members that aligned with my preferences this provided a better guage for on target purchases more than hyperbole in magazines, I still read the mags but more to keep up on whats out there.
Agreed! Have you seen the latest TAS? Everything in it is the best thing ever, including the Benchmark.

Or Stereophile where one month a writer says that the Sony Playstation is dramatically over hyped on the internet, and then a couple of issues latter another reviewer thinks its the best that he's ever heard. I've heard the Sony Playstation and the most that I can say about it is that it's innocuous.

In case you can't tell, I'm trying to make 1500 posts tonight.
post #17 of 435
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one suggestion in this thread is maybe just not listing the item you found lacking but supporting it with what was lacking like Yikes did.
i agree.

wouldn't be surprised if some of these posts were edited/deleted.
post #18 of 435
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i agree.

wouldn't be surprised if some of these posts were edited/deleted.
I would challenge the community to accept varying points of view provided the person has
A) heard the gear in question
B) states the reasons for his/her sonic issues
C) does not engage is bashing for the sake of bashing
post #19 of 435
Yikes, I thinks its great to agree to disagree sometimes. I really wanted to like the 701s really I did I even went out and bought a pair and kept them for months trying. I am a leading edge of the note fan but also can't stand harsh highs it's a bit of a balance to acheive and often I have missed but when the gear locks in it is sweet.

John Tucker makes some of the best sounding gear I have heard and his room at VSAC was a cut above just about every other room at the show by a clean margin with the sole exception on the crazy horn room. Not to mention he is one of the best guys I have had the pleasure of meeting in audio.
post #20 of 435
Headphones:

GS1000 - overbearing treble and not as overbearing bass but still exaggerated. For the top of the line Grado I'd expect more.

Amps:

Apache - Gave spent a decent amount of time with it at a meet and it just sounded dull and lifeless. Completely underwhelming for a reference level product that is $3000.

Source -

GO8 - Dull and unexciting, for over $4000 new I'd expect a lot more.
post #21 of 435
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one suggestion in this thread is maybe just not listing the item you found lacking but supporting it with what was lacking like Yikes did.
Good call I updated my posts.
post #22 of 435
A few years ago, I attended the high-end audiophile show here in NY. There was this one room where there was a long waiting line to hear the system being played. After waiting for a 1/2 hour, I was finally escorted to my seat to listen to audio nirvana. Please don't rake me over the coals here because I can not remember everything in the system, but I do remember that a $75,000 Rockport Turntable was the primary music source. The speakers were around $150,000 and were made up of 20 or so drivers running vertical in each speaker. I wish I could remember the name of them but I can not. I have to say I was quite excited to hear what state-of-the-art " analogue" music reproduction sounded like. In a word; average. The reason why I was stunned into dismay was this was a $300,000 audiophile system that was just "average" to me. Yes, the room acoustics were a factor and probably not ideal for the system. Then why set it up in the first place? It was so average, that I could actually pinpoint the sound of piano keys directly to the drivers. Not a disappearing act by a long shot. It was strange hearing the sound of a piano emanating from near the top of the ceiling. Furthermore, I wanted to see if a vinyl based system could achieve that " black empty space between notes" recordings on CD's do. Nope. The music sounded like it was coming from a record player. I think since then, it has put a sour taste in my mouth for high-end audio. I no longer subscribe to Stereophile or the Absolute Sound. I sometimes pick these magazines up at Barnes & Noble and read the articles. Same-ole, same -ole. "As close to the original sound as possible at this time". They have been saying this for so long, they should have been reproducing the original sound 20 years ago by now. As far as I am concerned, audio engineering is progressing at a snails pace. Every year I go to the audiophile show. Every year, the same. Impressive! Brilliant! New! Stunning! Reproducing the original sound? No.
post #23 of 435
two semi-high end headphones (or at least headphones that cost a decent sum) i have yet to take a liking to, and which some consider to be very good, are the Ed.9 and GS1000. i have heard both many times and on different setups and i always feel that they are lacking to some degree.

The Ed.9 is very isolating. it feels like you are wearing an IEM. it is a bit off putting at first. it is a very closed headphone. the music through them did not sound bad, but the bass was strong and seemed to saturate - or intrude upon - the rest of the sonic frequencies. the sound stage was not very large either. another complaint is that the construction looks and feels, to put it mildly, less than high end. there is no heft to them and the chrome looks like it would scratch easily.

As for the GS1000 i have always had the same complaint with it - a hollow, recessed sound. not sure what grado was going for here. the sound stage is certainly very large, but it does not seem to excel much at anything else. one thing i could say is that it has always sounded better to me with tubes than on solid state. the best i have heard the GS1000 was on a WA4 with some classical music. i don't think it sounds necessarily bad, but i also do not see myself purchasing one.
post #24 of 435
Darths.

I guess they have "impact"..... but I do not get why people want subwoofers on their ears at the expense of just about everything else.

They do look nice......
post #25 of 435
Were they simply bad or were they bad because of mismatch ?
post #26 of 435
If that question was to me.....

The only mismatch was with my ears. The only way they sounded "right" to me was with massive EQ to get the mids somewhere near an appropriate level, and even then they were savaged by the bass.
post #27 of 435
For me, it's Grado RS-1s. I heard jp#s' balanced pair out of his EC amp with 909's Reimyo as the source. The amp and Reimyo are top notch. I also know that jp#s loves his RS-1s. For me, the treble was ear piercing. It was like having needles being driven into my eardrums. However, it's just a matter of taste.

Now the Grado HP-2s are a different story. I heard jp#s' and fell in love with them. They're mine now! Thanks John.
post #28 of 435
I heard Peak Consult El Diablo floorstander speakers that cost almost $70K. All I have to say is that I know quite a few speakers that are around $5K that I'd rather take over the El Diablo, regardless of price. I wouldn't say 'the worst ever', but very underwhelming.

That Sooloos music server, in my estimation, is the worst rip-off EVER! Anyone who buys that thing gives music lovers a bad name. You have to run it through an outboard DAC anyway, so why don't you just use your Mac Mini or Squeezebox or something?! Only people I envision purchasing this are the old fools who have wives that have collagen lips and fake boobs.
post #29 of 435
Not going to be a popular sentiment, but for me it has to be the R10. Not that it's a bad headphone, far from it, but it doesn't justify the price IMO. A balanced HD650 (in a good balanced rig mind you) will outperform the R10 in most areas except midrange tone and will cost much less. The R10 has a certain magic to its midrange, a stark realism of tone together with a very romantic liquid presentation, but for a headphone that sells over $4k I'd expect more. I'd say it performs at the $1k pricepoint.
post #30 of 435
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That Sooloos music server, in my estimation, is the worst rip-off EVER! Anyone who buys that thing gives music lovers a bad name. You have to run it through an outboard DAC anyway, so why don't you just use your Mac Mini or Squeezebox or something?! Only people I envision purchasing this are the old fools who have wives that have collagen lips and fake boobs.
Funny post! : )
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