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post #2821 of 4044

So I've been an owner of the D2000 for a week today. I'm very impressed, it's an upgrade from the HFI-2400 for me as well as a change to closed backs due to needing / preferring to do so. I like having the isolation. I think it's sounds significantly better than the ultrasone. I consider myself a warmhead so these are right up my alley. It's built far more luxuriously and looks more expensive than it actually is.

 

I think they're fantastic, but I'm having one problem, they're not comfortable, specifically in the headband. I have no problems with the earpads, they're spacious and they don't make my ears too hot or anything like that. They don't have much clamp at all, which I think is where the problem begins. I've heard people describe these as "light as a feather" which is plain bs if you ask me. 350g+ is not at all light, that's really getting into the heavy zone in my opinion, given how much typical consumer headphones weigh, and even a lot of professional headphones are lighter. So, due to the low clamp force and heavier weight, to my head it feels like 75-80% of the weight is supported by the headband, which is very minimally padded. That would be fine for a light headphone like the sennheiser momentum, but this amount of weight simply makes the padding insufficient. I'm feeling quite an irritating / distracting hotspot no matter how I wear the headphones. 

 

I know a common solution is to buy a Beyerdynamic Pro snap on headband, which has appeal since it's such a cheap, simple solution but i'd really rather not do that since it's such an ugly headband, it totally ruins the sleek look of the Denons. 

 

Does anybody know of a better solution to this? Is there anywhere I can send them to have the headband modified to be more padded whilst retaining the looks? Can I put more padding in it myself? 

 

I really don't want to have to sell these, I'm really in love with them in every other way. They're the best sounding headphones I've owned, and they're sealed! They'd be perfect for the desktop use I purchased them for, I just need to eliminate the annoying headband hotspot.

post #2822 of 4044

I went from the Pro 750 to the D7000 (same body designs as the HFI-2400 and D2000) and I would say the D7000 felt lighter and far more comfortable.

 

Are your D2000's used? In my experience while they don't clamp much, the pads do take a fair bit of weight from the headband. It's possible that your headphones were used by someone with a wider head than you (if they were used) thus stretching them out. Try making the headband longer by a tick or two to see if that alleviates some of the headband pressure, and make sure the forward seam in the earpads is above the front hinge screw.

 

I could wear the Pro 750 for a few hours before I felt pain (usually ear pain), while I can wear the D7000's practically indefinitely. I would say the weak point in their comfort is the headband, but for me at least it's still more comfortable than every other headphone I've used except the Koss ESP-950, which was practically weightless.

post #2823 of 4044

 

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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post
 

So I've been an owner of the D2000 for a week today. I'm very impressed, it's an upgrade from the HFI-2400 for me as well as a change to closed backs due to needing / preferring to do so. I like having the isolation. I think it's sounds significantly better than the ultrasone. I consider myself a warmhead so these are right up my alley. It's built far more luxuriously and looks more expensive than it actually is.

 

I think they're fantastic, but I'm having one problem, they're not comfortable, specifically in the headband. I have no problems with the earpads, they're spacious and they don't make my ears too hot or anything like that. They don't have much clamp at all, which I think is where the problem begins. I've heard people describe these as "light as a feather" which is plain bs if you ask me. 350g+ is not at all light, that's really getting into the heavy zone in my opinion, given how much typical consumer headphones weigh, and even a lot of professional headphones are lighter. So, due to the low clamp force and heavier weight, to my head it feels like 75-80% of the weight is supported by the headband, which is very minimally padded. That would be fine for a light headphone like the sennheiser momentum, but this amount of weight simply makes the padding insufficient. I'm feeling quite an irritating / distracting hotspot no matter how I wear the headphones. 

 

I know a common solution is to buy a Beyerdynamic Pro snap on headband, which has appeal since it's such a cheap, simple solution but i'd really rather not do that since it's such an ugly headband, it totally ruins the sleek look of the Denons. 

 

Does anybody know of a better solution to this? Is there anywhere I can send them to have the headband modified to be more padded whilst retaining the looks? Can I put more padding in it myself? 

 

I really don't want to have to sell these, I'm really in love with them in every other way. They're the best sounding headphones I've owned, and they're sealed! They'd be perfect for the desktop use I purchased them for, I just need to eliminate the annoying headband hotspot.

Solution for you - the Sennheiser HD650 headband (CALL Sennheiser as it's not on their website) and put it on using double stick tape.  Did it to my D7000 and it is now uber comfy.  I have two on order now, one each for my D5000 and D2000.   $20 for the two of them shipped. 


Edited by Oregonian - 9/24/13 at 5:55pm
post #2824 of 4044
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post
 

I went from the Pro 750 to the D7000 (same body designs as the HFI-2400 and D2000) and I would say the D7000 felt lighter and far more comfortable.

 

Are your D2000's used? In my experience while they don't clamp much, the pads do take a fair bit of weight from the headband. It's possible that your headphones were used by someone with a wider head than you (if they were used) thus stretching them out. Try making the headband longer by a tick or two to see if that alleviates some of the headband pressure, and make sure the forward seam in the earpads is above the front hinge screw.

 

I could wear the Pro 750 for a few hours before I felt pain (usually ear pain), while I can wear the D7000's practically indefinitely. I would say the weak point in their comfort is the headband, but for me at least it's still more comfortable than every other headphone I've used except the Koss ESP-950, which was practically weightless.

 

Yep, they're used (I'm the second owner, got them from the trade forum). I do have the seam above the front hinge screw, however I find that elongating the headband (past what I have them at, 2ish clicks) isn't really viable because all that does is raises the headband off my head so that they'll eventually fall back down. It also causes the clamp force to become lighter (because they're not optimally placed around my ears when the headband falls back down) delegating even more weight to the headband. 

 

As for whether or not the clamp force being low is simply a result of the previous owner having a larger head, that could be the case (even though the seller claimed to have put under 200 hours into them, and based on the immaculate condition I believe him). I might try bending the headband inwards a little to see if that helps with the clamping to take the weight off my head.

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 

Solution for you - the Sennheiser HD650 headband (CALL Sennheiser as it's not on their website) and put it on using double stick tape.  Did it to my D7000 and it is now uber comfy.  I have two on order now, one each for my D5000 and D2000.   $20 for the two of them shipped. 

 

That's certainly a hell of a lot better looking than the beyer solution! Really doesn't look too shabby actually, I must say not quite as nice as without it, but it's hardly ugly or anything. I don't know why I didn't think of this as I was aware of people doing that exact same thing with the Ultrasone headbands. It'd probably be more comfortable than the Beyer, too, given the gap so that the weight gets distributed on the sides more than the top. Pricing is about the same, too (here in the AU). If I can't get them feeling more comfortable I think I might go that route. Thanks for the idea, Oregonian!

 

One thing I'd like to ask about it though, as I was wondering this when I was considering it for the Ultrasone, was those little excess bits of plastic that hang off the edges there. I know why they're there for the HD600/650 headband rut, but I'm a bit of detail freak and they'd annoy me sitting there. Do you think I'd be able to trim them without any problems so that it sits nice and flush?

post #2825 of 4044
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 

Solution for you - the Sennheiser HD650 headband (CALL Sennheiser as it's not on their website) and put it on using double stick tape.  Did it to my D7000 and it is now uber comfy.  I have two on order now, one each for my D5000 and D2000.   $20 for the two of them shipped. 

 

That looks awesome, actually. I may look into that for extra comfy factor. I like that it has the cut out in the middle, which reduces stress on the top of your head.

 

I'm guessing the double stick tape comes off easily?

post #2826 of 4044

I found that putting the HM5/FA003 pads on increased my comfort. But everyone is different. 

post #2827 of 4044
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post

Yep, they're used (I'm the second owner, got them from the trade forum). I do have the seam above the front hinge screw, however I find that elongating the headband (past what I have them at, 2ish clicks) isn't really viable because all that does is raises the headband off my head so that they'll eventually fall back down. It also causes the clamp force to become lighter (because they're not optimally placed around my ears when the headband falls back down) delegating even more weight to the headband. 

As for whether or not the clamp force being low is simply a result of the previous owner having a larger head, that could be the case (even though the seller claimed to have put under 200 hours into them, and based on the immaculate condition I believe him). I might try bending the headband inwards a little to see if that helps with the clamping to take the weight off my head.

That's certainly a hell of a lot better looking than the beyer solution! Really doesn't look too shabby actually, I must say not quite as nice as without it, but it's hardly ugly or anything. I don't know why I didn't think of this as I was aware of people doing that exact same thing with the Ultrasone headbands. It'd probably be more comfortable than the Beyer, too, given the gap so that the weight gets distributed on the sides more than the top. Pricing is about the same, too (here in the AU). If I can't get them feeling more comfortable I think I might go that route. Thanks for the idea, Oregonian!

One thing I'd like to ask about it though, as I was wondering this when I was considering it for the Ultrasone, was those little excess bits of plastic that hang off the edges there. I know why they're there for the HD600/650 headband rut, but I'm a bit of detail freak and they'd annoy me sitting there. Do you think I'd be able to trim them without any problems so that it sits nice and flush?

Yes you could trim it. On the Ultrasone Signature Pro the pad tucks in the metal end pieces and in fact do not require any other fastening. I had hoped it would be the same on the Denons but not long enough.
Edited by Oregonian - 10/24/13 at 11:30am
post #2828 of 4044
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

I found that putting the HM5/FA003 pads on increased my comfort. But everyone is different. 

 

I tried those too, but found they increased the isolation a bit too much for my liking, making the sound a bit to boxed in. (but then I'm not a fan of fully-closed 'phones, everyone is different as you say ... ) Made my ears get hot too quickly as well.

 

Another option, and one I use, is the Hifiman velour pads, which are cheap and fit perfectly. I was surprised, but the sound wasn't significantly affected to my ears ... maybe a *tiny* decrease in bass, but they still sound like the same headphone. It's tricky to compare when it takes 10 mins to swap pads over, but i liked them enough to stick with them. They take the pressure off your cheekbones and, being velour, are much cooler to wear for long periods. They also look much better than a lot of the other alternative pad options (e.g. HM5, DT990)

post #2829 of 4044
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

That looks awesome, actually. I may look into that for extra comfy factor. I like that it has the cut out in the middle, which reduces stress on the top of your head.

I'm guessing the double stick tape comes off easily?

Yes, it comes off very easily. I used a 3M product that is not the foam style and is very thin and is about the same width as the pad. Looks quite factory.

****The double stick tape product is 3M VHB and is 3/4" wide.
Edited by Oregonian - 9/25/13 at 7:03am
post #2830 of 4044
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


Yes you could trim it. On the Ultrasone Signature Pro the pad tucks in the metal end pieces and in fact do not require any other fastening. I had hoped it would be the same on the Adenons but not long enough.

 

OK, brilliant! I'm going to do that I think, the looks have actually grown on me, it's pretty nice. Looking forward to being able to enjoy these epic headphones properly in comfort.

 

Thanks again!

post #2831 of 4044
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


Yes, it comes off very easily. I used a 3M product that is not the foam style and is very thin and is about the same width as the pad. Looks quite factory.

****The double stick tape product is 3M VHB and is 3/4" wide.

 

Cool, thanks. I ordered a 650 pad just now. Unfortunately they're on backorder, but I'll get them around mid next month.

post #2832 of 4044

Hey guys, at last I did the MarkL mod on my D2000, I used D5000 wood cup for this mod and keep the stock cup as is. 

I did some comparison between modded cup and stock cup (I did applied the dynamat on the driver unit), the difference was pretty noticeable on the bass region. I felt there is some echo (or whatever I should called it) on stock cup so the bass kind of 'roll-off' and not as tight as the modded cup. I also felt the high notes was better but it was not noticeable as the bass. But overall the modded cup makes the sound more clear and it bring new chapter to my experience on the D2000.

 

Note: The modded cup doesn't have good screw hole to keep it intact with the driver unit so I used blue-tac to keep it together with the driver unit. :D

 

Next is to change the cable but I still not convince enough that the improvement would be significant enough compare with the price ratio. Any recommendation for this?

post #2833 of 4044

If anybody is interested, I'm selling my D2000s.

 

Check it out here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/688465/denon-ah-d2000-2012-model-with-slappa-hardcase

post #2834 of 4044
Now that I received my D2000 back from Martin Custom Audio with new deeper than stock COCOBOLO Rosewood cups, thought I'd post a pic next to their brethren.

post #2835 of 4044

Wow.. Its nice looking collections that you have there.

May I know which cable do you choose for your D2000 ?

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