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post #31 of 38
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post
C) why do you guys wanna keep beating this into the ground, honestly, my question was answered, and I'm not ripping from the CDP (if it makes you feel better, but honestly, why do you care, its my system, and my ears, but to be honest, I don't have the time to bother re-ripping in real-time from the CDP)
Because otherwise noobs are going to think it is actually worth doing this, and your particular brand of idiocy is likely to reoccur, and surface along with others writing "guides" such as those instructing everybody with a PC + Foobar to resample their music to 48KHz without exception.

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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post
D) I could probably make some ABX test and show that you're incapable of discerning between the "evil resampled piece of crap recording" made from the CDP -> soundcard, and the "flawless bit perfect entirely complete and soul fulfilling recording" made from the data drive, but I really don't have the time to bother with that either, to my ears, the CDP's digital out into the PC sounds quite nice, and given that I didn't really pay anything to accomplish this (oh wow, $20 for a cable I was going to buy anyways for other uses, the heavens will surely fall from the sky for this massive waste of funds, vs buying a $300-$30,000 DAC that I probably wouldn't notice much, if any, of a difference with (especially given that my CDP isn't at the kilo-buck range, its a moderately nice unit, and i'm very satisfied with it for what I paid))
It appears to be that time of the month for you hmmmn but let's just reiterate: a SPDIF in from some other device vs digital playback from a modern CD-ROM drive will either 1) make no difference, assuming you avoid any problems or 2) screw something up. It is NOT better and doing it without some good reason is stupid.

You keep mentioning DACs, you appear to have no idea that this is a totally separate issue to your query. In either case you apparently are currently using the DAC on your soundcard, sourced either from the SDDIF-in or the OS audio layer. I don't understand the continual referencing of "a $300-$30,000 DAC".

Ruahrc above is quite correct.

Instead of mucking about with this, you should be giving some attention and $ to upgrading your soundcard which is apparently the weak part of your system. Look at the Auzentech Prelude, which is an excellent card and will maintain the Creative X-Fi features of the Audigy.
post #32 of 38
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Originally Posted by badmonkey View Post
Because otherwise noobs are going to think it is actually worth doing this, and your particular brand of idiocy is likely to reoccur, and surface along with others writing "guides" such as those instructing everybody with a PC + Foobar to resample their music to 48KHz without exception.
I asked why studios do it, and if theres an advantage, nowhere did I tell anyone to resample to 48khz, thats a separate discussion about the hardware I've got, and I'm not saying it improves quality

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Originally Posted by badmonkey
It appears to be that time of the month for you hmmmn but let's just reiterate: a SPDIF in from some other device vs digital playback from a modern CD-ROM drive will either 1) make no difference, assuming you avoid any problems or 2) screw something up. It is NOT better and doing it without some good reason is stupid.

so because you don't like someone else's system, or their method, that makes them stupid? thats the most solid logic i've ever heard in my life, in fact, I might as well stop attending university, stop reading entirely, and just subscribe to your logic...

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Originally Posted by badmonkey
You keep mentioning DACs, you appear to have no idea that this is a totally separate issue to your query. In either case you apparently are currently using the DAC on your soundcard, sourced either from the SDDIF-in or the OS audio layer. I don't understand the continual referencing of "a $300-$30,000 DAC".
because you want to sit there and fling random comments that I should burn my soundcard and get a "real DAC" just to "actually be able to listen to CDs", as far as how its connected, I'm pretty sure we've covered that a few times in this thread, you might wanna invest in some better glasses


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Originally Posted by badmonkey
Instead of mucking about with this, you should be giving some attention and $ to upgrading your soundcard which is apparently the weak part of your system. Look at the Auzentech Prelude, which is an excellent card and will maintain the Creative X-Fi features of the Audigy.
um, why is it the weak part? its got better SNR and THD figures than mostly anything on the market, excepting a few semi-pro boards, as far as "the x-fi features of the audigy", do you even know what the X-Fi and Audigy actually are? or do you just love reading marketing literature and believing that the X-Fi Prelude is some saviour of the audio world, in reality, its the second best X-Fi based card, and the 4th best Creative based card (arguably 4th, you could say 3rd if you like, and I wouldn't think less of you)

so again, why is it the weak part? because it isn't what you have? because you don't like it? because its not "perfect"?


now, as far as reading it as data blocks, yes, thats been discussed, and yes, it creates a more accurate read, because of error checking, and the ability to read the digital data as data, nowhere am I saying that my method is actually better, I'm saying it sounds better to me (and if you're seriously incapable of reading and accepting that, just stop posting, because like I've said three times now, I couldn't care less how it sounds to you, its my system and my ears)

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Originally Posted by infinitesymphony
Everything I've read has stated that the Live! and Audigy line resample all rates below 48 kHz to 48 kHz, with the exception of the semi-rare Audigy 2 Platinum eX. The Audigy 2 ZS resamples.
i'm curious (not trying to fight with you) on your sources, since I've read a bit of the opposite, first of all, lets not bring Live! into this, since its a different generation and different hardware (lol), but I've read that Audigy 1 resamples everything, and Audigy 2 and 2 ZS (the whole product line, since they're all the same chip (actually the Live! and all of E-MU's current PCI cards are also that same chip, only deliniated by revision (rev 1 is Live!, rev 2 is everything else)) don't resample, unless you enable EAX, EQ, effects, etc (if you bypass all of that (which imho sounds like garbage half the time anyways) you get proper 44,1000 or 96,000 or 88,200, etc, the same is also true if you're doing ASIO in/out, it just requires bypassing the effects toys)

and yeah, I'm with you on it being strange in a studio, thats why I made the thread, just figured maybe some studio people knew something I didn't, apparently the playback sounds nicer (as my ears are telling me), but it also apparently pisses people off because it isn't identical to what they're doing
post #33 of 38
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post
I've read that Audigy 1 resamples everything, and Audigy 2 and 2 ZS don't resample, unless you enable EAX, EQ, effects, etc
I've done a few searches and could only find one result where a person said that bit-perfect playback was possible with the Audigy 2 line. Contrast that with many, many results that simply state, "The Audigy 2 ZS resamples." Do a Google search for "audigy 2 zs resamples."

It's considered common knowledge around here that everything from Live! to Audigy 2 ZS resamples, one theory being that it was required to comply with the AC'97 specification.
post #34 of 38
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i have no idea why it does it, but the digit-life article I read on it, says it doesn't (and digit-life is normally spot-on, so I've got no reason to not trust them)

like, I know it does resample, especially if you have EAX or the EQ enabled, but from what I've read, its showing that the line from Audigy 2 and beyond don't resample with the effects/junk off

as far as the Platinum eX being special, I don't see why it would be any difference, since it uses the same drivers and basically the same hardware as the rest of the series (any differences will be things like the A/D or D/A stages, or available inputs)

and I do know that if you run ASIO, you bypass the resampling issue entirely

ignoring ALL of that, I've been very satisfied with this card over the last 4 years, and honestly don't see a need to replace it (given that it cost $200 new, and replacement is the same, if not more expensive)

like, yes, it may very well be resampling the audio to 48khz internally and putting it back to whatever, but I've never had one complaint about quality with my board, and I don't feel it logical to spend $200-$250 on a replacement on a whim
post #35 of 38
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post
i have no idea why it does it, but the digit-life article I read on it, says it doesn't (and digit-life is normally spot-on, so I've got no reason to not trust them)
If you mean this article, they don't mention anything about bit-perfection or resampling. However, they do say:

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Let's select the 48kHz mode most comfortable for the card, where there are no oversampling...
To me, that statement implies that 48 kHz is the only rate that is not resampled.
post #36 of 38
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Creative X-Fi here

they say
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Starting from Audigy2, designers introduced the P16V unit into their processor, which allowed cards to play back DVD-Audio (96 and 192 kHz). But this mode was available only for those frequencies and only via DirectSound interface. The effect-processor operating at 48 kHz must be disabled in this case. Otherwise, resampling will intervene again.
so, its only for DVD's and DVD audio, but its still not resampling entirely, although I didn't catch the lack of this support for 44.1khz (honestly, I'm glad to have a more solid answer, which is why I enjoy your posts (at infinitesymphony), this is probably the second time I've actually learned something on head-fi)

still, I'm not seeing a huge reason to drop $200-$250 into a new card (other than, new hardware is always fun)
post #37 of 38
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Starting from Audigy2, designers introduced the P16V unit into their processor, which allowed cards to play back DVD-Audio (96 and 192 kHz). But this mode was available only for those frequencies and only via DirectSound interface. The effect-processor operating at 48 kHz must be disabled in this case. Otherwise, resampling will intervene again.
That's right, I'd forgotten that DVD-Audio was one of the Audigy's capabilities. I believe that 96 kHz and 192 kHz streams are not resampled because they are integer multiples of 48 kHz (x2 and x4). Everyone is just quick to point out that Audigys resample because the majority of streams like CD are not at multiples of 48 kHz. Plus, some DVD-Audio discs contain streams that would still be resampled (ex. 88.2 kHz, 176.4 kHz).
post #38 of 38
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yes, that makes logical sense, although it doesn't cover 44.1, which, while a little annoying, it isn't enough to make me go buy a new $250 sound card, nor does it bother me that much (so my soundcard is 2% less accurate than the other guy's, boohoo)
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