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The background noise in my house, e.g. air conditioning, etc. doesn't really bother me when I'm listening to music, and in fact I can barely hear it most of the time when I've got music playing, except during quiet passages. But these sounds are no worse than the background noise that would be present when the performers gave you a private concert. Normal ambiance doesn't detract from the music for me, and I consider myself a very critical listener. Actual distortion is much more obtrusive. If the headphones actually muffle small details, if they soften or muddy the bass, if they smear the treble and add sibilance, or if they skew the frequency response, pianos won't sound quite like pianos, etc. and the music will sound conspicuously off. This is much worse than a little ambient noise.

The only open headphones I've owned are mid-priced ones, such as the SA5000, K701 and HD650. My three most expensive headphones were the Edition 9, W5000 and DX1000. Of the headphones I've owned, the Edition 9 was my favorite, followed by the W5000, and then the SA5000 the K701 and then the HD650 and DX1000, which were my two least favorite. It's really not a fair comparison between my two favorites and the open ones I've owned, given the price difference, but prevailing opinion on head-fi seems to say that open headphones compete well with closed ones in their price range. I wouldn't say I have the listening experience to say which is better, but I know that the principle behind open headphones in the first place is to eliminate the resonance present in closed headphones at the expense of isolation.

As for carbon fiber, it's used in instruments because its ability to be built with different properties allowed the designers to control the resonance in their instruments. It's also possible to restrict resonance with carbon fiber if it's used correctly. An example of a high end speaker company that uses carbon fiber in its cabinets is Wilson Benesch. But I wouldn't want to encourage Ultrasone to use carbon fiber cups as a gimmick. I just want them to do what will sound best, and they know what that is. I just thought it'd be cool, and it's been used effectively before.
post #47 of 56
Mmm.... for the Edition 10's or whatever Edition # they come up with I just hope it remotely comes close to the sexiness of the Edition 7.

That's all.
post #48 of 56
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The background noise in my house, e.g. air conditioning, etc. doesn't really bother me when I'm listening to music, and in fact I can barely hear it most of the time when I've got music playing, except during quiet passages. But these sounds are no worse than the background noise that would be present when the performers gave you a private concert. Normal ambiance doesn't detract from the music for me, and I consider myself a very critical listener. Actual distortion is much more obtrusive. If the headphones actually muffle small details, if they soften or muddy the bass, if they smear the treble and add sibilance, or if they skew the frequency response, pianos won't sound quite like pianos, etc. and the music will sound conspicuously off. This is much worse than a little ambient noise.

The only open headphones I've owned are mid-priced ones, such as the SA5000, K701 and HD650. My three most expensive headphones were the Edition 9, W5000 and DX1000. Of the headphones I've owned, the Edition 9 was my favorite, followed by the W5000, and then the SA5000 the K701 and then the HD650 and DX1000, which were my two least favorite. It's really not a fair comparison between my two favorites and the open ones I've owned, given the price difference, but prevailing opinion on head-fi seems to say that open headphones compete well with closed ones in their price range. I wouldn't say I have the listening experience to say which is better, but I know that the principle behind open headphones in the first place is to eliminate the resonance present in closed headphones at the expense of isolation.

As for carbon fiber, it's used in instruments because its ability to be built with different properties allowed the designers to control the resonance in their instruments. It's also possible to restrict resonance with carbon fiber if it's used correctly. An example of a high end speaker company that uses carbon fiber in its cabinets is Wilson Benesch. But I wouldn't want to encourage Ultrasone to use carbon fiber cups as a gimmick. I just want them to do what will sound best, and they know what that is. I just thought it'd be cool, and it's been used effectively before.
Well to be honest the SA5000 is a very good resolving headphone, a little sterile, and the bass is the weakest point, but very good in details. The 701 IMO leak too much sound to the point that I do not like it, the strongest point is the toilet color...LOL...
The HD650 which I have owned several times, was always sold at the end, to fund other stuff, the bass is a little overpowered IMO, and the details and resolution is not at the level of others in its price range, to the point that I much prefer the older HD600 or the 580 which I still own for balanced operation.

I agree with the live performances, most of the times the audio really sucks, but that is the only reference we have unfortunately for us...The W5000 was never a favorite of mine and the DX is still on my list for a really good audition...But till now with the exception of the R-10 and with the lack off the Orpheus system, I will remain attached to my Edition 9 till I find something really and substantially better...
post #49 of 56
My suggestion:

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My suggestion:

Wow, spinali! It's good to know that you are an Ultrasone dealer and judging from the sign you posted, apparently you're offering an "80% off" sale on Ultrasone headphones! That would make the Ed 9's sell for around $300. What a great deal!
post #51 of 56
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Well to be honest the SA5000 is a very good resolving headphone, a little sterile, and the bass is the weakest point, but very good in details.
The thing with the SA5K is that its more bass quantity than quality that's missing. The bass that's there is very tight, controlled, and impactful. There just isnt much of it.

Pro 750 make me think of an SA5K with slightly less speed, slightly less detail, but far more bottom end. And less comfortable
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The thing with the SA5K is that its more bass quantity than quality that's missing. The bass that's there is very tight, controlled, and impactful. There just isnt much of it.

Pro 750 make me think of an SA5K with slightly less speed, slightly less detail, but far more bottom end. And less comfortable
The Pro 750's do become much more comfortable after a lot of wearing.
BTW, Cov, I'm going to try finding the Josh Groban recording you told me about in an attempt to hear what you're hearing.
post #53 of 56
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The Pro 750's do become much more comfortable after a lot of wearing.
BTW, Cov, I'm going to try finding the Josh Groban recording you told me about in an attempt to hear what you're hearing.
The album was one of his first, released in 2001:

Josh Groban (album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No 5 "To Where You Are" is the one I was referring to.

And nothing I've worn has matched SA5K comfort. I actually quite miss my SA5K, one of these days I might have to re-invest in one.
post #54 of 56
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Thanks, Cov, for that information.

To All: I was curious if anyone has heard from or seen posts by Ultrapaul lately. I sent a couple PM"s to him, the last one I think was about a week ago and haven't heard back from him.
post #55 of 56
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Thanks, Cov, for that information.

To All: I was curious if anyone has heard from or seen posts by Ultrapaul lately. I sent a couple PM"s to him, the last one I think was about a week ago and haven't heard back from him.
There've been no posts in the premier sponsor forum either. I started a thread there asking a question last week and still have no responses from the Ultrasone crew.
post #56 of 56
The ED10 should be a open version of Ed 9. But if it have the similar price of the Ed 9 (which is already excessive...); then, i don't care.
Only a logical suggestion...
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