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Vibrations

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Originally Posted by paul_lindemann View Post
And another thing! :>

If your componets is extremely well built, a $1,000 power cord will do nothing to improve the sound quality or nominally lower the noise floor.

For example, I own a Wyetech Power amplifier that is very well contrived and designed. I purchased the Valhalla Power Cable and was suprized that the $50 Zu cable sounded just as good...virtually no difference. Why?

Because the quality of the Wytech is such that the rectifiers, Caps etc are so well matched and of the highest standard quality that they do not generate noise to be amplified by the power cord (antenna).

It is rare that we see that kind of build quality.
I have found that Valhalla power cable sounds amazing for computer and other bright sounding gear. It colors the sound to make it sound like real life! But for smooth sounding high-end gear it just veils the sound. Stock cable wrapped in ERS Paper had better performance than Valhalla.

I have also found that reducing the vibrations inside the power cable improves on what comes out from the wall. You can color the AC vibrations by using many materials and gauge sizes, but in my system it just reduced low-level detail which made it appear to sound more "clean". When I reduced the vibrations with Virtual Dynamics Genesis power cable it improved on everything in the sound with no side effects.
post #47 of 54
Here is a picture to describe the sound of Valhalla coloration. It sounds very clean, smooth and open. If the Valhalla isn't wrapped with ERS Paper the EMI/RFI entering the cable adds whiteness to the sound to make it sound sharp and fast. Together with the cleanliness it makes it appear more transparent. It sacrifices low-level detail to make it sound like real life. But it can't do that without the EMI/RFI entering the cable.

I have also modified the Valhalla thicker and separated the conductors to make EMI/RFI enter the cable more easily. It gave more of the Valhalla "real life" flavor.



post #48 of 54
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Originally Posted by paul_lindemann View Post
A poor power cord acts as an antenna for those components and amplifies the noise, as well as attracts additional hiss, and barely audible distoritions. A good power cord maintains the noise of the rectifiers/capacitors/transformers from being amplified, and shields external distorition from being added to the signal.
Be careful with you words The antenna won't amplify a signal, in the correct contextual use of the word. The antenna will receive a signal only up to the maximum of the signal's power that is available.
A minor point but I didn't want other people misunderstanding the situation

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But hey, whatever floats your boat. If it's worth it to you, it's worth it to you. My friend Ricki buys $200 handbags which are no better functionally than my $15 dollar purse I got from Target. But she likes it, and considers it worth it to her.
I swear by my $15 no-name wallet, it has given many years of faithful service and has coped with much abuse. I chose it for its exceptional quality but I can easily find a piece of **** $15 wallet that would have fallen apart a long time ago. I do however buy some expensive things when it is warranted and justified, and there are many examples of this.

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Not to mention the miles of high-voltage wiring outside, transporting the power from the generator station to your home. Chri5peed's picture is indeed worth a thousand words.
I'd like to explain something about this.
This is my understanding of the situation, it could be wrong or irrelevant and I'd appreciate it if someone would kindly point out any mistakes in my explanation.

Imagine that clean sinusoidal electricity is generated at the power plant. It may travel hundreds of kilometres at say 100kV and has a frequency of 50Hz for example (depends on your country). That 100kV has a certain frequency. Noise may very well be collected along the electricity lines, this noise, however random, is composed of components that all have a certain frequency.
After the multi-hundred kilometre journey to your local area the power may reach a substation where its voltage is stepped down using a transformer. Lets say that the 100kV signal is stepped down to 25kV, that is a 4 times reduction in amplitude. The noise voltage amplitude is also stepped down by this same factor (The noise does transfer through the transformer because it has its own non-zero frequency(ies), i.e. is an alternating signal, it is however reduced in amplitude).
This 25kV electricity will be transported to your street, at the end of which may be another step-down transformer which reduces the amplitude from that 25kV to say 110v or ~230v depending on where you live. So for you Australians who get 230ish Volt electricity it is reduced by a factor of ~100. Actually a bit more. Again, any of the original noise, and any new noise picked up between the substation and your street is attenuated by this same factor of 100 when the voltage amplitude is stepped down. The voltage amplitude of the original noise in the 100kV signal is attenuated by a factor of 4x100=400 times by the time it reaches your door.
It may be the case that those 100kV wires are far from the electrical noise of cities for the most part. But there are mobile (cellular) phone and AM/FM signals broadcast over the entire Australian continent, despite it being largely unpopulated outside the sparsely located cities/towns.

I guess my point is that noise signals (of whatever frequency) picked up in electricity wires can get attenuated due to certain processes. Noise signals picked up 100km away may not be very noticeable at your wall outlet.

Also FM Radio frequency is in the megahertz range, wireless networking routers operate in the gigahertz range. While these frequency ranges may or may not have an effect on audio hardware components (audible or not), frequencies in that range themselves are not audible at any amplitude, should they find their way into the output stage of equipment.
I wonder what an approximate signal amplitude and power is of typical AM/FM signals picked up at an appropriate average distance from the transmitter?

Also picking up signals will be greatly affected by attenae polarisation. If the electricity wires act as antennae do they have a polarisation that makes them susceptible to picking up noise signals (of whatever frequency you want) with anywhere near their maximum amplitude?

Walls are able to attenuate radio (or similar) signals to an extent? If that is the case, wire that is exposed from your walls (e.g. power cords) may be more susceptible to interference, especially if near a window or something like that. I'm not trying to prove anything, but it is worth thinking about.
Also is any sort of metallic film used in housing construction that goes in the walls? This may explain the above.
This neglects to mention the wire on the poles in the street and to your roof, but they are not as close to your microwave, computer or refrigerator compressor

Numbers used are examples but are all of the correct magnitude and should be very close to commonly used values.

Directed at the general head-fi populous:
"Burn"-in, break-in, (of cables, capacitors, transistors, whatever), power cords, ICs, differences in sound signature of various metals and alloys and crystal structures, it's all the same. Few people have any clue about the complexities in issues like this. Fewer seem able to think outside the square, instead only being able to regurgitate crap they have heard.
1mm of position difference can eliminate high frequencies on my MS-1s. The quality of my hearing seems to vary immensely from day to day and hour to hour. Tinnitus at a certain frequency may constructively interfere with audio signals if it is at the right phase! There is are so many things to consider.

I take no heed in what people here say because even people who can make it sound like they are knowledgeable often have no idea.
When someone says one dumb thing it can make it difficult to trust them with making even basic inferences.
You shouldn't even trust me if you do! But you can go and research relevant topics from a variety of independent sources and see which conclusions you come to.
post #49 of 54
This horse has been flogged here many times over, so I'll leave it alone.

I personally don't understand how power chords can make a difference, but for those of you who do get some improvement, enjoy.
post #50 of 54
Buying fancy-cords is up in the air....but surely in no way possible is a $5000 Valhalla cable anywhere close to being a good buy.

Although if you've got $5000 power-cords, you're rich and tend to throw money away...if you forgo eating to fund buying them, I'm afraid you're silly.


How is battery power regarded? My DAC/Amp use 9-volt batteries, $5000 would keep me in batteries for a long time.
post #51 of 54
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Originally Posted by fordgtlover View Post
I have had a fair range of power cords collected over the years; some skinny some fat. I can't say that I have ever noticed any difference between any of them when powering an amp.

Oh, BTW, why is it that people only ever seem to report one of two outcomes when testing power chords when there is a third possible outcome? First, no change. Second, makes things sound better. Third, makes things sound worse. We never hear about anyone experiencing the third outcome. Any thoughts on why this might be?

Just my 2 cents.
Let me take shot at it: a it's because you didn't bother read my post in this thread?
post #52 of 54
Thread Starter 
RE: The Zu Birth mentioned in the first post ...

For what it's worth, my imagination is now telling me that the harshness/glare I was percieving early on has now diminished.

Or, I've simply acclimated.

Anyway ...

I still very much appreciate the transparency affect that the cable seems to provide over a plain jane cord.

And as I mentioned to a certain bloke via PM, the perceived improvements to other qualities such as bass, sound stage, etc. is most likely due simply to the more transparent image as opposed to those qualities actually being affected directly.

The jellyfish cable will be here early this week and I'll post some thoughts on the comparison.

Happy imaginings!

post #53 of 54
My friend works at the nuclear power plant. He took his DAC and a pair of headphones and plugged in at work with a Mu power cord. He said it was pure bliss, never heard anything like it.
post #54 of 54
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Originally Posted by regal View Post
My friend works at the nuclear power plant. He took his DAC and a pair of headphones and plugged in at work with a Mu power cord. He said it was pure bliss, never heard anything like it.
How did he pass security??
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