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JVC has some love to give us.

post #1 of 18
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There's no doubt about it, I'm a JVC canalphone fan, ever since my pleasures with the HA-FX66 Air Cushions and the newer HA-FX300 audiophile grade phones. These look very interesting:

JVC's HP-FXC50 earphones promise to get closer to your eardrum - Engadget
post #2 of 18
so.. they're making an IEM?
post #3 of 18
My Etys already do this. Interesting that they're going the IEM route with a dynamic driver inside, instead of outside like the Atrio M5.
post #4 of 18
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I don't understand why they don't use balanced armatures but, then again, they don't make their own earphones,,,at least as far as I'm aware. But who's to say which is better, BA or Dynamic. I figure BA is used to make an earphone small enough to fit the way they do. If the dynamic variety can fit into the ear like this new JVC model, there might be more companies going with dynamic drivers instead of using BA.
post #5 of 18
It is probably to boost noise attenuation and reduce occlusion. Could be nice if they make it a high-end IEM.
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by synaesthetic View Post
My Etys already do this. Interesting that they're going the IEM route with a dynamic driver inside, instead of outside like the Atrio M5.
I fail to see the SQ benefit of having the driver inside, aside from a sleeker profile. IMO, it comes to down the tips/flanges you use that really affect isolation.

As well, I recall reading somewhere that armature drivers tend to be more expensive to produce, which may be why JVC is sticking with dynamic drivers (although creating a new dynamic driver design can't be cheaper either, in terms of R&D).
post #7 of 18
If you are familiar with Victor you know they have been really into trying to eliminate resonance and vibrations etc. They tried different materials like the aluminum in the FX300 and wood in the FX500. This design essentially bypasses the housing having a negative effect on the sound. Also they are working the closer the driver the more detail at a lower volume thing.

They seem to be finding a direction before making a high end phone. AT(CK10), Sony(EX700), and Panasonic(HJE900) have all put one out already and Victor is taking their sweet time.

This is not a very good phone. The design is cool and should be comfortable and light. But, the placement in their hierarchy is between the FX66 and FX300. The release price is only 4000 Yen. The FX300 is decent and is entry level. The use of HD here is as a consumer buzzword to attract people. The FX300 is not close to High Definition. I hope they make a serious version of this type. 4000Yen is $37US and it will be a couple bucks cheaper than the release price.

Victor has been disappointing, IMO. They have a dozen or so consumer canalphones already. Release new tech with a decent model! How does a $35 phone show off if this can do what the design intends? It may all be just hype using the High-Definition catchphrase and may never be seen in an actual high end model.

AT is releasing the ATH-CKM70 and CKM90 on Friday. These are more worth consideration than this.
post #8 of 18
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I just now realized the wisdom and purpose of this type of canalphone. Perfect aiming. Being so deep into the ear canal points the nozzle linearly into the ear.

EDIT - Not only that but they would be more stable and less prone to movement. The best way to get a quality sound from a set of floor standing audiophile speakers is to put spikes on the bottom and plant them secure to a very solid floor, preferably concrete. The quality of sound will be dramatic, I know, I've done it with my Snells.

Doing this with a canalphone will bypass the wobble at the outer end of the phone, increasing sound quality.

What would really be great is to put a sleeve at the back end of the phones, as well. Talk about sound isolation!
post #9 of 18
The FXC50 are available now. $41 plus shipping and all three colors are available.
JVC Victor Sealing up inner ear headphone HP-FXC50-S - eBay (item 160270511602 end time Sep-08-08 06:10:36 PDT)



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post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by lewislink View Post
I don't understand why they don't use balanced armatures but, then again, they don't make their own earphones,,,at least as far as I'm aware. But who's to say which is better, BA or Dynamic. I figure BA is used to make an earphone small enough to fit the way they do. If the dynamic variety can fit into the ear like this new JVC model, there might be more companies going with dynamic drivers instead of using BA.
BA do not go beyond 16-17KHz, I have not seen at least any commercially one to go that far, not even the UE11, but dynamic drivers does, if you want the extra mile, that we are suffering from the armature drivers, go the dynamic way...
post #11 of 18
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That doesn't look like the ones that are supposed to go all the way into the ear canal. The cord is about halfway rather than at the end.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by lewislink View Post
That doesn't look like the ones that are supposed to go all the way into the ear canal. The cord is about halfway rather than at the end.
Why not placing the cord at the end of the body? I dp not get it, another failed designed for my ear shape...
post #13 of 18
I don't see what you guys are talking about. It is about as much toward the end of the body as it can go.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by jant71 View Post
I don't see what you guys are talking about. It is about as much toward the end of the body as it can go.
It was my understanding they would look similar to a Q-Jay or Image, where the cord comes out of the back end so the whole body of the phone can fit all the way into the ear canal.

However, after pondering why the design was changed, it dawned on me there would be severe liability concerns should a phone or phones get stuck in someones ear...or at least someone making such a claim for monetary awards.
post #15 of 18
The design was never changed. You never understood the original design and illustration. The driver is moved up into the sound tube or baffle. It was never going to insert as deep as the Ety and it always had the side piece with the rubber pad. With the Ety the driver is back inside the body behind the tip. With the JVC it is inside where the tip is and there really isn't a body.

This is where the driver is...
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