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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I found this interesting

Testing Method :Audio Precision ATS-2 Audio Analyzer to the headphone output of the MP3 player to reveal details such as the MP3 player's signal-to-noise ratio (SNR), total harmonic distortion (THD+N), frequency response deviation, maximum power output, and stereo crosstalk.

The Zen



"The Zen didn't have the flattest frequency response of the bunch, but it had an unmatched triple threat score of a 1.47dB frequency response deviation average, -82.27dB THD+N average, and a -83.62dB SNR. The Zen also gets bonus points for having its THD+N and SNR levels so close to one another."


Sony NWZ S718 plus



With its noise-cancellation feature switched off, and its DSEE high-frequency enhancement feature turned on and turned off. It turns out that the Walkman performed better with DSEE engaged, giving us the supreme frequency response deviation reading of -0.28dB (or -0.77 with DSEE off). Throw in a THD+N rating of -63.57dB and an SNR of -83.25dB and Sony just slips out of the top five.The active DSEE setting produced a better overall frequency response deviation average of -0.28dB, however, with DSEE disengaged the frequency response curve is continuous up through 22kHz.

Cowon D2



SQ testing too poor to be counted in the test...

However reveiwer had this to say: "ere's the frequency response chart of the Cowon D2, an MP3 player whose sound we can't get enough of. Many manufacturers (not just Cowon) deliberately engineer their MP3 players to sweeten certain frequencies. Being flat isn't everything. (Credit: CNET Networks)"

Zune 80




"The 80GB Zune scored a -1.03dB on frequency response, and an excellent -84.99dB on SNR, but had relatively average scores on total harmonic distortion, grabbing a -59.25dB also requency response deviation average of -1.03.."


Sansa Clip




-1.36dB frequency response deviation average is slightly better than the iPod Classic, and a closer inspection of the graph reveals absolutely no frequency dips between the audible range of 20Hz-22kHz. A total harmonic distortion score of -65.25dB and an SNR of -84.78dB.Frequency response deviation average of -1.36dB.


Apple Ipod Classic



With an frequency response deviation of -1.56dB, a THD+N of -69.26dB, and an SNR of -84.42dB,While the lower frequencies roll off down below 40Hz, the upper ranges stay steady up to 22kHz, didnt make top 5.





NOW READ THIS

We've been testing our MP3 players this way for more than a year, but you wouldn't know it from reading our reviews because we've never included the data. Here's why:

(Credit: HeadRoom)

It's boring.

Most MP3 players spit out the same results during testing, especially when you consider that a variance of +/- 5dB in each testing measure is indistinguishable to the human ear. Most of the variances we see among players aren't worth mentioning.

It's misleading.

When we talk about "audio quality," most people assume we mean how pleasing something sounds to your ear. Unfortunately, our tests don't measure how pleasant an MP3 player audio chip sounds, but how accurately it performs. Paradoxically, not all accurate players sound great, and some of our favorite-sounding MP3 players have a few technical shortcomings.

Who cares?

That said, I'm an audio nerd at heart, and when I pored over the past year's audio test results, I couldn't help but share the high scores. As an extended version of the product comparison I posted last week, I've included the charts and full results of our top performers.

The Creative Zen took the top score in our CNET Labs audio test results. (Credit: Corinne Schulze/CNET Networks)



i was gonna post just a bit of this review...i ended up posting 3/4 mehhhh
post #2 of 25
Very intresting, esp the results of the D2.
post #3 of 25
those tests are also unloaded so most players will perform their best as they are driving nothing more than an amp. hook up a y adapter and low or high imp phones and then do the same tests. probably every player except the sony and the clip will have massive bass roll off. the classic might do a bit better. the d2 tends to keep its upper frequency climb and the stereo will fall to low 40 rather than 56-65 area, but when i did tests of headphone amp driving amp, it was pretty flat. something looks odd here.

these tests are good to see how they will perform when hooked up externally but on the go, life is again another story
post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
but when i did tests of headphone amp driving amp, it was pretty flat. something looks odd here.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the D2 results. dfkt did some RMAA tests which showed it to be flat too. Maybe they've left some effects on or something?

Strange.
post #5 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
those tests are also unloaded so most players will perform their best as they are driving nothing more than an amp. hook up a y adapter and low or high imp phones and then do the same tests. probably every player except the sony and the clip will have massive bass roll off. the classic might do a bit better. the d2 tends to keep its upper frequency climb and the stereo will fall to low 40 rather than 56-65 area, but when i did tests of headphone amp driving amp, it was pretty flat. something looks odd here.

these tests are good to see how they will perform when hooked up externally but on the go, life is again another story

I agree, those tests are mostly pointless. Very few people regularly use a dedicated amp on the go.


I've been testing every MP3 player I've ever bought, loaded from 16 to 100ohms and the Sansa Express has come out on top every time. It handles the lowest loads impeccably, Total Harmonic Distortion is locked at 0.01%, Intermodulation Distortion at 0.03%. Stereo Crosstalk is also through the floor, mininum -70dB, often around -75dB. It beat my EMU0202 USB connected to a Little Dot MK1, across the board.


I have no idea why it's so good...




EK
post #6 of 25
Very interesting, especially the D2. The altered frequency response on that unit closely matches one of the more typical EQ tweaks for better sound, i.e. boosting bass and treble. Especially amusing considering all the raves about the D2 among aficionados (and their frequent rejection of EQ tweaks as being 'impure.' )
post #7 of 25
you didn't even link to the review, and your summary messed up their results. the ipod was number 3

Audiophile MP3 players, by the numbers | MP3 Insider - CNET Reviews
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 
My apologies..I recieved this via email myself

I'll find some more information regarding the cowon when I get time, I just ordered one myself!

Edit found an RMAA anaysis plus some other stuff of the cowon plus the sony --

am posting the links ...


Cowon d2 with headphones

Cowon D2 No Load

Original Forum Post


I really like this electrokrishna.com they did a test with atrio's!! I own atrio's and i just ordered the player..hoorah
post #9 of 25
yeah, atrio are great and they do help with the sound of many players with roll off but they will not resolve details that are lost from bass roll off. i have used amp and er4 p to s adapter and much prefer the adapter for everything.
post #10 of 25
i guess nokia n81 is worth to mention here



freq response +0.39, -1.13
Noise Level -86.6
Dynamic Range 85.8
THD 0.041
IMD+Noise 0.040
Stereo Crosstalk -69.9

COMPARED IT TO IPOD 5G



freq response +0.41, -1.16
Noise Level -91.6
Dynamic Range 91.8
THD 0.0043
IMD+Noise 0.015
Stereo Crosstalk -83.6
post #11 of 25
Did the reviewer know that right out of the box (default), the D2 is EQ-ed? It appears to me that the unit measured was left in the standard EQ setting.
post #12 of 25
yeah, that does look to be eq'd, super mach bassed etc. but that is fixed if you look at dfkt report on d2 as well with loaded and unloaded results.

the above nokia and ipod are unloaded results too so they should remain superb. but the fact that an unloaded n81 has that much of bass roll off is somewhat surprising
post #13 of 25
Have they done these tests for Sony Hi-MD units as well? They've also been renowned for their audio quality, but would definately like to see some RMAA tests done for some MD units
post #14 of 25
how about w580i?.Frequency response (from 40 Hz to 15 kHz), dB
+0.06, -0.24

Very good
Noise level, dB (A)
-90.3

Very good
Dynamic range, dB (A)
87.4

Good
THD, %
0.029

Good
THD + Noise, dB (A)
-67.6

Average
IMD + Noise, %
0.048

Good
Stereo crosstalk, dB
-86.6

Excellent
IMD at 10 kHz, %
0.136

Average
General performance


Very good



Frequency response
Spectrum graph
post #15 of 25
those are unloaded tests as well. load them and then test them. then you see where your player is deficient. most players should perform within 5% margin of one another for unloaded as they use mostly similar hardware with some small differences. load the hardware and then you see the differences.
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