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post #46 of 96
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Fitz I'm not mad, but please read above, just for trying to post a different opinion, that BTW is in agreement with lot of more opinions here along time, I was almost crucified!!!! How would you feel in my shoes? Of course I will keep on enjoying the Editions, no doubt about that; but do not forget also that we have newbies here everyday, that we have an obligation with, of offering them the right information, and that come here everyday and read what we post...this is simply BS, man....

You know, same as me, as anybody of the old members, that the bass performance of the K-1000 have been considered a joke in all these years...Why opening a thread just to praise precisely what is really and actually flawed on given headphone, sorry but I do not get it!!!!!!!

I apologize with the original poster but I simply felt the need of posting here!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry if I speak for Fitz inaccurately, but I don't think he or anyone else here is aware of a consensus which claims that the K1000's have a "joke" of a bass response. I mean, perhaps most don't praise the K1000's solely for their representation of low frequencies, but I think if anything this thread has revealed that many do enjoy way in which these phones handle bass instruments.
post #47 of 96
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Originally Posted by M0T0XGUY View Post
Sorry if I speak for Fitz inaccurately, but I don't think he or anyone else here is aware of a consensus that the K1000's have a "joke" of a bass response. I mean, perhaps most don't praise the K1000's solely for their representation of low frequencies, but I think if anything this thread has revealed that many enjoy the way these phones handle bass instruments.
Really, just do a search please!!!!
post #48 of 96
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Why opening a thread just to praise precisely what is really and actually flawed on given headphone, sorry but I do not get it!!!!!!!
Strange, this is the most realistic bass I've ever heard. It also has plenty of quantity, to the point where it is full. Actually theres some poorly recorded music I have that have way too much bass with my K1000 and I have to pull out the K501.
post #49 of 96
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Do you see any headphone in the Rudistor website, sold by us, or sold by me directly. We sell amps, and there is no amps discussed here AFAIK...I'm not restricted to discuss any headphone, or any other non amp related item by my status, unless things had changed....

Please shut the "F" up if you have nothing intelligent to say...definitelly you are doing a good use of your moniker...
Official Ultrasone website:
Ultrasone of America Sistema amp only

Amazon.com:
Amazon.com: Ultrasone NX-02 Sistema Headphone Amplifier by Rudistor Sound Systems: Electronics

Sorry Sov you are representative of Ultrasone and Rudistor whether you like it or not.
post #50 of 96
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
IMO you have never heard the Editions out of any amp that made them justice, it is not that you like this amp, and it will match magically with all heapdhones you have, just because you want it to be a good match, this never happen that way, you know that...We have hundreds of very good amps in the market, that will not be agood match for given heapdhones, synergy is all about...You know that...
I suppose next you'll tell me that the RPX-100 that I heard them out of (for the better part of an hour) wasn't enough to do them justice...

post #51 of 96
Is there visceral impact with the bass, or is there just presence? Can the bass be compared to any other dynamic can in production?
post #52 of 96
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Originally Posted by M3NTAL View Post
Is there visceral impact with the bass, or is there just presence? Can the bass be compared to any other dynamic can in production?
It has eye blinking impact. Crazy good rock headphones, crazy good classical headphones. The bass is quite unlike I've heard before so it would be hard to compare it to another headphone. Quantity-wise, my guess would be a HD580 or K601 (more bass than a K701). I'd like to describe the impact as a D2000 or grado, but with greater resolution. The bass, soundstage and imaging are my three favorite things about this headphone.

EDIT: Not to say that I don't like the mids or highs, they are pretty much your standard AKG mids and highs but beefed up quite a bit. I excepted improvement here, and I got it. It is just the three things I mentioned earlier that tend to make my jaw drop repeatedly.
post #53 of 96
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Tyrion that is you opinion and I respect it, but also consider that the Editions same as the K-1000 need an amp to match, not out of any amp they will sound as good, just ask Vicky if you have any doubt...

IMO you have never heard the Editions out of any amp that made them justice, it is not that you like this amp, and it will match magically with all heapdhones you have, just because you want it to be a good match, this never happen that way, you know that...We have hundreds of very good amps in the market, that will not be agood match for given heapdhones, synergy is all about...You know that...

And don't tell me that the 5 minutes that you spend with them at CanJam will cout, becasue we all know they can not...you need time and other sources, to have a really good idea of the sound of them...

But anyway that is not the point of this discussion we are talking of the K-1000, and their inherent lack of bass, that we have noticed for decades here and there.....
Sov, I owned the ED9's for a while. I've heard them out a quite a few amps. I liked them at first but after a while I realized that the bass didn't sound natural and after a while, did begin to become painful.

I think a lot of people complained about the K1000 lack of bass were using them with whatever speaker amp they had around. It was also before people were regularly having them re-wired. They definitely shine with the right amp. The only reason I don't own a pair is that I have speakers. They really served no purpose to me any longer. I guess my point about the ED9s is that not all bass is created equal. I'd rather have a little less of it if it's controlled and doesn't overwhelm the rest of the sound, which I think is a problem with the ED9s.
post #54 of 96
I've deleted and number of posts and edited at least one. I would normally pm everyone but it's late. Anyone who feels that I was wrong is welcome to send me a pm and I will get back to you tomorrow. Please keep the discussion on topic.
post #55 of 96
There was a period of time where people did not like the bass response out of the K1000. There are also two sets of drivers for the K1000. There was a run of drivers whose frequency response was adjusted for the US market. These headphones ran in the ~3000-5000 serial number range. I know because I owned a pair of them at one point. I received that information from an AKG rep when I sent them in to be checked out. The frequency response was so different from another friend's pair that I thought something might be wrong (not because the headphones sounded "bad" mind you, but because the difference was so large in frequency response)

Actually in direct comparison, I prefer the earlier models to the later, but both have their good points.

While people did have a problem with the lack of bass response in the K1000, further exploration of amp/K1000 combinations found combiations that did flesh out the bass on the K1000 more.

Pass labs amps and First Watt amps are among some of the amps that offered better bass performance. "Do a search" and you'll find that as well. For a while people were trying to use higher powered headphone amps to power the K1000 and that's not what they were designed for, they were designed for power amps. That's why they shipped with a tail that offered 4 bare wires, to be hooked up to speaker terminals. I can't think of any that shipped with a 1/4" plug attachment. So I would suggest that people were using them with equipment they were not designed for and that might have something to do with the percieved lack of performance.

I once heard the K1000 through a FirstWatt F1 with a SDS XLR acting as a preamp. I have yet to hear the equal of that rig and that includes hearing a singlepower ES-1 and ES-2 with HE90s, the Blackie Pagano 300B amp with HD600, Votron's SDS rig, another GM-70 amp with the K1000 plugged into them....the list goes on. While I haven't owned a lot of this gear, I've lived near people who did. I spent more than just meet time with a lot of these systems.

I understand that some people think the K1000 have less than stellar bass response, they do with certain equipment and more importantly, they take significantly more effort to discover a good amp/headphone combination than a lot of other headphones.
post #56 of 96
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Originally Posted by J-Pak View Post
Ex-Official Ultrasone website:
Ultrasone of America Sistema amp only

Amazon.com:
Amazon.com: Ultrasone NX-02 Sistema Headphone Amplifier by Rudistor Sound Systems: Electronics

Sorry Sov you are representative of Ultrasone and Rudistor whether you like it or not.
I wish I would be...LOL...To have access to another pair of Editions for cheap...LOL...

Moderator Edit

J-Pak, Not sure if you are aware of this post, it was done by Evan the resident engineer in Ultrasone USA, as per Cathy Kelly request, the CEO of Ultrasone USA, long time ago.
It seems that it is not relevant, and you will still believe what you want to believe, so I will not bother to answer anymore to those absurd nonsense accusations that will serve no purpose, but just for the records, and to show how cheap is talking for some members here:

"...SovKiller (or Alberto Gomez) is not and never has been linked in any way financial or otherwise to Ultrasone of America, LLC or Ultrasone AG in Germany. We heard the Rudistor Amps that Rudi made specifically for his Ultrasones (which, by the way, he did without our knowledge, because he owned and loved his Ultrasones so much) and thought the would be a great companion product for our customers. I loved the amp, loved how it sounded and it made sense to offer them as a package with our headphones, so I asked Rudi if we could sell them. We buy amps made for the headphones directly from Rudi and we sell them on our site. Neither Rudi nor Alberto sell our headphones, receive any compensation from our headphones, or are in any way employed, contracted, etc. by Ultrasone of America, LLC or Ultrasone AG. They rave about their headphones because they love them. That's it.

Capice?

Cathy Kelly
President Ultrasone of America..."



But of course that is not relevant at all, to the lack of bass of the K-1000, in comparison to any other headphone out there, Ultrasones excluded if you like...
post #57 of 96
BOT.... I love the K1000s, but like smeggy, have noticed a roll-off, somewhere around 30 hz. I say this in comparison to other phones that I'm familiar with. ie. the D5000, GS1000, DX1000 and HD650 which all offer bigger foundations to the sound (I have never heard the Ed. 9's, but long to experience its already legendary authority). As a point of reference, I've only heard the K's with powerful 300b amps, recables, beefy power cords, etc.

The K1000's are not really about bass. They do it with respectable conviction, but its really their other attributes that place them in the major leauges - transparency, air, speed, midrange clarity, and a wonderful flat response from 30 hz up.
post #58 of 96
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Suddenly for a few members the K-1000 became a bass monsters, and we all have to accept that....that is insane sorry????
Thank god I am not one of them.
I don't find the K1000 to have that much of a bass roll-off. But its certainly far from a bass monster.

I don't like the tone of this thread though. So I back off...
post #59 of 96
I come here to learn about K1000 and ED9
post #60 of 96
oh never mind........
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