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post #406 of 488

24bit requires a 3-byte alignment so it's problematic indeed, I've already encountered windows audio drivers that would instantly BSOD when fed PCM24....you had to send it padded to PCM32 to make them happy. The AMD graphic cards will also only agree to output 24bit over HDMI if it's padded to 32(they won't output full scale 32bit, though).

 

I'm still not sure whether I prefer 24int or 32int, the former sounds quite mushy but the trebles of the latter sound very colored in comparison...but clarity and holographic'ness are truly amazing, as you would expect from better roundings from its internal 64fp processing.


Edited by leeperry - 8/7/12 at 8:08pm
post #407 of 488

Yup, this is why I picked up the Dragon, native 32-bit / 384 kHz support via USB and in the DAC chip, plus no I/V stage, so I can connect the RCA to an amplifier with peace of mind there's no op-amp in the signal path (apart from the internal one in the voltage-out D/A chip itself).

 

Hopefully I'll get good sound via uLilith.

post #408 of 488

Well, after a few days of 32int ASIO there is no way in hell I would ever go back to 24int biggrin.gif

 

Quite frankly, 32int is a bit over the top but hey ProTools works in 48int: http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/48_Bit_Mixer_26688.pdf

 

This said, SRC sounds terrible in uLilith so maybe the bitdepth conversion is also a bit shoddy....but hey, I'm used to the killer sounding "best sinc interpolation" SRC of Reclock so competition is tough popcorn.gif

 

Apart from its super-sweet SQ, the strong points of uLilith are the support of 64fp VST plugins(even those that don't come with a GUI) and ASIO/WASAPI OOTB, its winamp'ish non-invasive GUI(vade retro JRiver ^^) and that "open current folder in Ulilith" right-click option available on every audio file.....love it!

 

I was told that JRiver could do gapless via Reclock but forget it, its GUI makes me wanna jump off a cliff.

 

Don't get too hung up on voltage output DAC chips because they use sloppy I/V, such as PCM1793 that sounds really nasty. You need a proper I/V stage for prime SQ, no free lunch.


Edited by leeperry - 8/7/12 at 8:21pm
post #409 of 488

Anyway, I've spoken to the coder of uLilith and he's translated some of the japanese release notes for me and we found the culprit to my random ASIO freezes duh....I'm using the latest beta with an older ASIO plugin et voilà, problem solved happy_face1.gif

 

The 1.54 XMOS release notes seem to imply that it's not the OS that takes care of the fp>int conversion, but it's actually the drivers on their own: http://pastebin.com/jatqjVP6

 

I've upgraded my DAC with a top of the range USB PSU and I think that I now prefer 32fp, the sound is just more natural and less colored.....maybe the XMOS drivers actually add dithering...ah well, audiophoolism [:loomy]

 

I spoke to a pro audio VST plugin coder who told me that usually 32int ASIO means that the last bit will be used for dithering, but I've been confirmed that uLilith does put all the bits to good use so you can rest assured at some point the 8 least significant bits will be trimmed in 32int ASIO.


Edited by leeperry - 8/31/12 at 5:31pm
post #410 of 488

Hello Leeperry, could you please tell us what USB to Spdif converter are you using?? i'm thinking about buying one based on the Xmos circuit.

post #411 of 488

Hi Julio, long time no see. I don't use any S/PDIF converter, the Stello U3 that's embedded into my DP1 is internally wired via I²S happy_face1.gif

post #412 of 488

How do we deal with wireless setup? Does the stello U3 work fine? Will you please share it's configuration details?

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post #413 of 488

The U3 works fine, and it's got its own dedicated thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/562732/

 

I dunno anything about wireless setups, sorry.....I'm from Team "good ole copper wire" cool.gif

post #414 of 488

Humm, I really prefer the sound of the October 2011 version over the latest builds.....it's just more focused to my ears devil_face.gif


Edited by leeperry - 9/3/12 at 1:29pm
post #415 of 488

What's with the 64bit floating point? Should I use it even if mostly of my files are 44/16?  (FiiO E10)

thanks

post #416 of 488
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What's with the 64bit floating point? Should I use it even if mostly of my files are 44/16?  (FiiO E10)

thanks

mh, anybody?

post #417 of 488
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Originally Posted by Nachash View Post

What's with the 64bit floating point? Should I use it even if mostly of my files are 44/16?  (FiiO E10)

thanks

 

64 bit floating point refers to the instruction set your CPU uses - most modern computers will use this instruction set.  IMO this has nothing to do with file format.

post #418 of 488

The audio pipeline of uLilith runs is in 64fp from start to end: volume control, VST plugins, EQ and all other built-in DSP's. Either you send it as-is to your audio drivers and hope for the best, or you convert it to 32fp/24int/32int, your choice.

 

I've gone back to 32int ASIO myself because the XMOS drivers state clearly that it's bit-perfect and I don't really care about where the 8 least significant bits go, I just find the trebles clearer tongue.gif

post #419 of 488
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

The audio pipeline of uLilith runs is in 64fp from start to end: volume control, VST plugins, EQ and all other built-in DSP's. Either you send it as-is to your audio drivers and hope for the best, or you convert it to 32fp/24int/32int, your choice.

 

I've gone back to 32int ASIO myself because the XMOS drivers state clearly that it's bit-perfect and I don't really care about where the 8 least significant bits go, I just find the trebles clearer tongue.gif

 

This is pretty interesting, I never thought about whether the player is outputting floating point or integer mode to the drivers.  What is the final word with this player, I have downloaded a few of the installers after a bit of effort but I'm still not sure which one to install.  The english version download link from the lilith website doesnt seem to work.  I also read a while back that this player isnt bitperferect - does it use some kind of DSP or something?

post #420 of 488

the best place is here: http://www.project9k.jp/download/uLilith/

 

there's of course the usual bunch of bored ppl who like to make accusations w/o showing a single proof, but this player can be made bit-perfect AFAIK(no DSP/volume control enabled) via ASIO/WASAPI Exclusive.

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