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post #196 of 221
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
Are you saying the SR4300 sounds different to the SR4200? That the latter has "amazing" power and the former sounds 'thin and pinched'? Because frankly I'd find that hard to believe.
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They both go loud.

SR4200 sounded broken.
SR4300 sounded clean, but thin and pinched as stated above.

I would *expect* the SR4200 to sound very similar to the 4300, but through all the interference it was chucking out I can't tell.

So, by "amazing power"; I was trying to say it goes loud.
post #197 of 221
When a Stereophile reviewer goes out of his way to tell me that the CA 650C drives his K701 really well, I dont have a problem believing him, but I would never try to equate the quality of the headphone stage in that integrated amp with a good (dedicated) headphone amp, any more than I would compare the phono stage in the Marantz amps with a dedicated phono stage from a reputable manufacturer. I can have a 'sporty SUV', but it will never be a Corvette.
post #198 of 221
Well, I owned an SR4200 and used it for some time with HD650s and it didn't sound thin and pinched to me. Indeed the SR4200 was well reviewed in its day and considered one of the first really good sounding HT receivers. I would be surprised if the SR4300 was significantly different.
post #199 of 221
I still get enjoyment out of my receiver when using headphones, even though I have a 650.00 dedicated amp.. Has a nice, warm, sound & coloration when I want it..
post #200 of 221
My Pioneer LX 60 AVR sounds nearly as good as the dedicated setup.
It lacks some of the detail but makes up for it with a nice musical sound.
post #201 of 221
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Originally Posted by ford2 View Post
My Pioneer LX 60 AVR sounds nearly as good as the dedicated setup.
It lacks some of the detail but makes up for it with a nice musical sound.
Def more musical.. The GP tends to be more studio reference & accurate.. Which I like the majority of the time.
post #202 of 221
I think some people assume their dedicated amp MUST be better than their old integrated, after all everyone on Head-Fi insists you MUST have a dedicated to properly appreciate your phones, and so better is what they hear. I'd like to see some DBTs performed between good quality (NAD, Marantz, Rotel) integrateds (and, yes, even HT receivers) and dedicateds and see who can really pick the HUGE differences we keep hearing about here. Could be illuminating.
post #203 of 221
Very illuminating.And most of the better quality AVR's these days are up there with the best.
post #204 of 221
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
I think some people assume their dedicated amp MUST be better than their old integrated, after all everyone on Head-Fi insists you MUST have a dedicated to properly appreciate your phones, and so better is what they hear. I'd like to see some DBTs performed between good quality (NAD, Marantz, Rotel) integrateds (and, yes, even HT receivers) and dedicateds and see who can really pick the HUGE differences we keep hearing about here. Could be illuminating.
DBT only matters to those who believe in objective measurements. The subjectivists will be unconvinced, so don't get your hopes up. Let's not forget that measurements and DBT claim you can get audible transparency for a few hundred bucks - say from an emu 0404, a d10, an external soundcard to a cheap ss amp, and so on.

So my point is you probably shouldn't bother, although it would be interesting to read the results.
post #205 of 221
"don't get your hopes up"

In Head-Fi? I've been around here far too long. What the old guard decrees, so it is.
post #206 of 221

I listen with an old Marantz 4200 receiver in my study when Im working. Its  been reliable. It drives the HD800 and Denon7000 nicely. A descent dedicated system will beat it but that would take a significant investment whereas these old Marantz receivers can go for only double figure sums on eBad. If the music sounded any better then this in the study I couldn't get any work done. The Marantz is smooth and warm. Its a very nice sound that I think would totally satisfy someone who hasn't heard a great system to compare it to.

 

Advantages:

Has tone controls or they can be bypassed

Plenty of power

Can act as a DAC/radio/HP amp/stereo amp

Its able to power five channels - use that in a stereo office system and you can bi-amp bookshelf speakers (a dedicated amp driving woofer and tweeter makes a difference to my ears on Wharfedale Diamond 9.1) then there's even a channel left for a passive sub-woofer if you are keen.

It allows money to spent where it can make the biggest difference - the transducers.

post #207 of 221
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Originally Posted by Nada View Post

I listen with an old Marantz 4200 receiver in my study when Im working. Its  been reliable. It drives the HD800 and Denon7000 nicely. A descent dedicated system will beat it but that would take a significant investment whereas these old Marantz receivers can go for only double figure sums on eBad. If the music sounded any better then this in the study I couldn't get any work done. The Marantz is smooth and warm. Its a very nice sound that I think would totally satisfy someone who hasn't heard a great system to compare it to.

 

Advantages:

Has tone controls or they can be bypassed

Plenty of power

Can act as a DAC/radio/HP amp/stereo amp

Its able to power five channels - use that in a stereo office system and you can bi-amp bookshelf speakers (a dedicated amp driving woofer and tweeter makes a difference to my ears on Wharfedale Diamond 9.1) then there's even a channel left for a passive sub-woofer if you are keen.

It allows money to spent where it can make the biggest difference - the transducers.



Very wise,the Marantz's are indeed a very musical source and sound very good,you could spend thousands for very little if any gain.

post #208 of 221

One of the best threads in time I glanced through. I am looking for information for a stereo amplifier with ample of power, simple controls, sturdiness and I will pair it with a turntable later on, if all goes well. Dedicated amplifiers are fine for what they are and do well, I need connections, more power, simple controls (big knobs) and a certain sturdiness so it can have a turntable on top of it.

 

Oh well...

post #209 of 221
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Originally Posted by Deep Funk View Post

One of the best threads in time I glanced through. I am looking for information for a stereo amplifier with ample of power, simple controls, sturdiness and I will pair it with a turntable later on, if all goes well. Dedicated amplifiers are fine for what they are and do well, I need connections, more power, simple controls (big knobs) and a certain sturdiness so it can have a turntable on top of it.

 

Oh well...


DF, if you have 3500 USD, or can pry a pre-loved amp from a current Luxman owner, I have seen several favourable references to the headphone amp  on the L505u. John Marks certainly had plenty of time to evaluate the amp - considerably more than your average review sample - before declaring it to be a 'screaming bargain' : I guess in terms of high-end audio, $3500 *is* a bargain.

 

http://www.stereophile.com/headphones/the_fifth_element_58/index1.html

 

Hi-Fi Choice also rate this amp very highly, especially with vinyl, and made a point of mentioning that it did an excellent job driving their K701s from the headphone out, and dealers certainly havent missed the Stereophile review:

 

http://davidmichaelaudio.com/pc-357-6-luxman-l-505u-integrated-amplifier.aspx

 

I have no doubt that you could purchase a very capable AV receiver from Denon/Marantz etc for similar money, and they would almost certainly have bigger numbers on the spec sheet for power output, but I mention this amp specifically because it would seem to tick several of your boxes.

 

estreeter

 

 

post #210 of 221

Thanks for the tip, I am now lurking in the shadows of vintage and second hand integrated stereo amplifiers and I have seen some candy. If I were a rich man...

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