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post #256 of 587


Hi Rob,

 

Does mini-torri has a headphone output or do you use as a preamp or for your speaker only?
 

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Actually I just don't really trying that combo. And I sold my CSP-2 this week, because I an upgrading to a Decware Mini-Torri :)
post #257 of 587
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Originally Posted by ztsen View Post


Hi Rob,

 

Does mini-torri has a headphone output or do you use as a preamp or for your speaker only?
 


 


I custom-ordered one with a headphone out - I plan to use it with headphones.

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I custom-ordered one with a headphone out - I plan to use it with headphones.

 

I also interested, price is much cheaper than Leben. Really love to hear your impression after you get your new toy.

 

post #259 of 587
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Yes, very different looking, and I am sure it will sound different of course, but I am hoping it will be good with the LCD-2 - it's a good match-up on paper at least, and my experience with other pentode transformer-coupled tube amps and the LCD-2 made me think this would be a good plan.  Plus I did like the Decware CSP-2 a lot in general (just not with the LCD-2).

post #260 of 587

Just received my Sylvania 5U4G and a backup 5Y3G Sylvania. Still using Sovtex 6922 and waiting on EH6922 and matched Sylvania 6Dj8. Early impression of 5UG smooth very nicely balanced slightly different tone than the 5Y3G Rob sent me with the amp. But its all good. Not sure which I prefer yet as the new tube needs to burn in. I also have RCA 5Y3GT and the Raytheon 5YGT. Its fun rolling again. The Sovtek are some older tubes I had but I believe they were not used and sound very nice. Especially with the D7000. I also ordered a pair of Beyer 770 600 ohms to see if they are a nice fit with the CSP2. The Denon prefer solid state amps.

post #261 of 587

My early impression after 5 solid hours on the 5U4G Sylvania. Very nice tube smooth sounding but I hear with the 5Y3G more open sound stage, more bass, less smooth but more relaxing and very nice tone. I believe the 5Y3G may be the best fit for this amp but I need more time for conclusive impression and this is why this amp is so much fun. Plenty of rolling options and I can say the Sovtek 6922 is a great tube for this amp and can't wait for the other tubes to play with.

post #262 of 587
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My impressions were very similar, Frank. Ultimately I too preferred the 5Y3G, but the 5U4G is still quite good.
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My impressions were very similar, Frank. Ultimately I too preferred the 5Y3G, but the 5U4G is still quite good.


THE 5u4G is very nice. I have it in now and they are both so close to each other. I could live with either. The 5Y3GT are a different story but as always need hours on them.

post #264 of 587

Recently I have found out that CSP2+ is indeed very transparent and revealing amp.  The SQ of the upper stream becomes critical to the final sound.  I have compared the pairing of it with Ref-1 and DLIII and realized that a DAC in the Ref-1 level is critical to the total enjoyment of CSP2+.

 

Some comparison between CSP2+ and Phoenix shows more its unique signature.  I actually feel the bass of CSP2+ may be more solid, impactful, and more texture than Phoenix in some of the drum sessions.  Also, CSP2+ has more high freq stress that sound more exciting than Phoenix.  On the other hand, CSP2+ (with 6922 and 5Y3GT) has a little more sharper edge than Phoenix if there a brighter session in the music.  The balanced Phoenix still has better imaging in the soundstage but the difference is not enough to bother me anymore.

 

However, such performance needs good DAC to show it.  It will be no comparison with lesser DACs.

 

Another interesting feature of CSP+ that I just discovered is the tonal change with input level trim pots.  In CSP2+, I can trim down the input signal lever from a DAC and compensate it with main volume pot.  However, the tonality will change with different input level and volume gain combination.  When I use lower trim pot and higher volume setting, the sound becomes less solid, looser, and less impactful.  This is quite interesting since now I  have additional tuning capability to adjust the sound with different combination.  Usually, I'll try to use higher input level to give me more condensed and accurate imaging.  For other brighter/edgy recording, I can tune down the brightness by using lesser input level or if I want to get easier listening session.  Now I am using the trim pot a lot more often than before to get optimal setting for me.

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Recently I have found out that CSP2+ is indeed very transparent and revealing amp.  The SQ of the upper stream becomes critical to the final sound.  I have compared the pairing of it with Ref-1 and DLIII and realized that a DAC in the Ref-1 level is critical to the total enjoyment of CSP2+.

 

Some comparison between CSP2+ and Phoenix shows more its unique signature.  I actually feel the bass of CSP2+ may be more solid, impactful, and more texture than Phoenix in some of the drum sessions.  Also, CSP2+ has more high freq stress that sound more exciting than Phoenix.  On the other hand, CSP2+ (with 6922 and 5Y3GT) has a little more sharper edge than Phoenix if there a brighter session in the music.  The balanced Phoenix still has better imaging in the soundstage but the difference is not enough to bother me anymore.

 

However, such performance needs good DAC to show it.  It will be no comparison with lesser DACs.

 

Another interesting feature of CSP+ that I just discovered is the tonal change with input level trim pots.  In CSP2+, I can trim down the input signal lever from a DAC and compensate it with main volume pot.  However, the tonality will change with different input level and volume gain combination.  When I use lower trim pot and higher volume setting, the sound becomes less solid, looser, and less impactful.  This is quite interesting since now I  have additional tuning capability to adjust the sound with different combination.  Usually, I'll try to use higher input level to give me more condensed and accurate imaging.  For other brighter/edgy recording, I can tune down the brightness by using lesser input level or if I want to get easier listening session.  Now I am using the trim pot a lot more often than before to get optimal setting for me.


Have you used any low impedance cans to see if the adjustments can tune the can.Mine does not have the controls and my D7000 sounds so much better on my SS Matrix. I get better sound with 6922 and low impedance more SS sounding but I love the Sylvania 6DJ8 with the Sylvania 5y3G . I have found that 5Y3G is the best out of all the rectifier I have and I have 7-8 to flip.

post #266 of 587

Mini Torri huh?   I'm going to have some money thrown my way come May 2011, and would love to know what you think about the Mini-Torri as an amp option for a rig built from $3000.00.  I would love to hear what you've got to say about the Mini-Torri, or even the CSP-2 in such a situation.  Link here.  If not, I'll read you impressions of the Mini-Torri when/if you post them. Sure is a looker from your sig!

post #267 of 587

No, I don't have ANY low-Z phone at this moment. CSP2 is an OTL and as you know that it is perfect fit for high impedance phone.  It is meant for my DT880/600 "fleet" (only two actually ).  And I have not heard Matrix, but I will be very surprised if it outperforms CSP2+ & Phoenix with my gears.  I guess that you must be happy with your Beyers/600 ohm and CSP2 (i.e. only Denon gave  you problem?)

 

I am not familiar with any CD playesr.  Since CSP2 is so transparent as I just posted, it is good idea to make sure source is not the issue.  DACs can have a go/no-go interference to CSP2 for me. 

 

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Have you used any low impedance cans to see if the adjustments can tune the can.Mine does not have the controls and my D7000 sounds so much better on my SS Matrix. I get better sound with 6922 and low impedance more SS sounding but I love the Sylvania 6DJ8 with the Sylvania 5y3G . I have found that 5Y3G is the best out of all the rectifier I have and I have 7-8 to flip.


I guess you were asking Skylab and hope that he will answer it soon.  He does post some good report in other threads.

 

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Mini Torri huh?   I'm going to have some money thrown my way come May 2011, and would love to know what you think about the Mini-Torri as an amp option for a rig built from $3000.00.  I would love to hear what you've got to say about the Mini-Torri, or even the CSP-2 in such a situation.  Link here.  If not, I'll read you impressions of the Mini-Torri when/if you post them. Sure is a looker from your sig!


Edited by dukja - 9/1/10 at 2:30pm
post #268 of 587

LOL Source is no problem and you might be surprised since I do own the CSP-2 at how good the SS Matrix is and performs. My T1 and 770 are great with either amp but I do prefer the SS with the D7000. The new amp supposedly has volt adj to adjust for low impedance cans in my conversation with Steve Deckert

post #269 of 587
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I have been enjoying the Mini-torii a LOT.  It is outstanding with the LCD-2 and ME-5LE.  It is NOT a jack of all trades - it's not meant for high-impedance headphones.  But for low-sensitivity, low-impedance headphones like planar/orthos, it's terrific.

 

I really need to try it with speakers, just have not had time yet...

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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

I have been enjoying the Mini-torii a LOT.  It is outstanding with the LCD-2 and ME-5LE.  It is NOT a jack of all trades - it's not meant for high-impedance headphones.  But for low-sensitivity, low-impedance headphones like planar/orthos, it's terrific.

 

I really need to try it with speakers, just have not had time yet...


save your money. More flagship headphones to be released/ May as well have one of each. LOL

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