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post #91 of 459
7/14/08 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by Peter Pinna View Post
Is there a particular headphone you would suggest I hear?
I think I would recommend the HD 650, the AD 2000, and a Stax phone (Lambda Sigs or O2). All would need proper amps. But I think those represent a decent cross-section.
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post #92 of 459
7/15/08 at 1:12am
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Replies to Shahrose and The Monkey

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there's certainly something going on there with the soundstage. they're obviously good recordings, but i still can't hear anything directly behind me. i can hear slightly behind me on either side but not directly behind my head. what i envision is a large stage of performers in front of me...well more accurately, me being positioned right in the middle of the performers so that some are in front and some are to the sides and even slightly behind (on either side), but as i said earlier, i don't hear anything from directly behind my head.

i'm just going to say i don't think my hearing is going to change...perceptions differ from person to person and, having owned the prolines for more than half a year, i don't think mine's going to change now.

i appreciate your attempts to illustrate your point in more detail, but i think i'll just let this rest. the prolines still remain my favourite headphones despite my inability to properly hear the soundstage.
I heard the audio on this recording and because the surround effect was so strong when listening to the Proline 750, I immediately thought of you. The fact that you hear things slightly behind you on either side is a good sign, I think. And, certainly that you hear sounds in front of you is also a good sign.
They are also my favorite headphones (of the ones I've heard) because of reasons other than the sound stage and also partly because of the sound stage. However you hear the soundstage, I am happy that you enjoy the 750's.


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Originally Posted by The Monkey View Post
I think I would recommend the HD 650, the AD 2000, and a Stax phone (Lambda Sigs or O2). All would need proper amps. But I think those represent a decent cross-section.
Yes, I am planning to try to hear the AD 2000 at some point in the not too distant future. Have you seen the review that Covenant did where he compared the HD 600 to the Proline 750? The link to it is in my signature area, currently.
Stax are a whole different breed of headphone that would be very interesting to hear. I'm not sure where I would hear them. I do some traveling. I'll check around. Thanks for the info.
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post #93 of 459
7/15/08 at 6:24am
About the ad2000, they are good cans but don't really scale much with higher end equipment. I compared them playing the same songs with an ipod playing vbr v0 mp3s vs the same music on cd played on a 20,000 dollar CEC cd transport -->Thor DAC both via the meier headfive. The CD rig was better but not by much.

With my HD600s, on the other hand, The difference is bigger comparing ipod to even just a cheap pioneer dvd player playing through either my audiolab integrated amp or my gilmore lite amp.

I am very interested in hearing an ultrasone right now. Anyone want to trade their ultrasones for my A900?
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post #94 of 459
7/17/08 at 8:35pm
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a belated reply to donunus

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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
About the ad2000, they are good cans but don't really scale much with higher end equipment. I compared them playing the same songs with an ipod playing vbr v0 mp3s vs the same music on cd played on a 20,000 dollar CEC cd transport -->Thor DAC both via the meier headfive. The CD rig was better but not by much.

With my HD600s, on the other hand, The difference is bigger comparing ipod to even just a cheap pioneer dvd player playing through either my audiolab integrated amp or my gilmore lite amp.

I am very interested in hearing an ultrasone right now. Anyone want to trade their ultrasones for my A900?

Thanks for this info. My apologiies are offered because I somehow managed to forget to respond to you until now. So, it seems from your post, that you prefer the HD 600's to the AD 2000's. Interesting about the scaling aspect.
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post #95 of 459
7/29/08 at 2:28am
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Originally Posted by Peter Pinna View Post
This is very interesting because it seems as though you are saying that you prefer the sound stage of the 650 over the 750. While they are very similar in their sound stage, regarding the overall sound, I prefer the the 750. One thing with the 750, it needs a lot of "burn-in" time to be sufficiently centered and balanced. I'm not sure of the amount of "burn-in" time required for the 650 but I would imagine that it also requires a lot.
Thanks very much for contributing your comments.
Yes, they are very similar in terms of the Ultrasone characteristic sound. It means that the overall sound is very clean and clear without noticeable filter like some of the Sennheiser models. Other than that, they're different. The Proline 650 is supposed to be a studio monitor headphone with flat frequency response, which is why I prefer the 650. They are almost flat response, but not exactly. The Proline 750, also a studio monitor headphone, but it's much more boomy in the bass and the highs are a bit too much for me, but this could be a burn-in time issue. The 550 are fully basshead and very loud, but yet they still have the Ultrasone quality and are great for DJ or soundstage applications. It would be very interesting if someone could post the graphic frequency response for all the Ultrasone models. This way we could know who does what and how they do it.

I would like to know more details for the 650. Like, what exactly creates the 3D effects?
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post #96 of 459
7/29/08 at 2:39am
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post #97 of 459
7/29/08 at 3:41am
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Yes, they are very similar in terms of the Ultrasone characteristic sound. It means that the overall sound is very clean and clear without noticeable filter like some of the Sennheiser models. Other than that, they're different. The Proline 650 is supposed to be a studio monitor headphone with flat frequency response, which is why I prefer the 650. They are almost flat response, but not exactly. The Proline 750, also a studio monitor headphone, but it's much more boomy in the bass and the highs are a bit too much for me, but this could be a burn-in time issue. The 550 are fully basshead and very loud, but yet they still have the Ultrasone quality and are great for DJ or soundstage applications. It would be very interesting if someone could post the graphic frequency response for all the Ultrasone models. This way we could know who does what and how they do it.

I would like to know more details for the 650. Like, what exactly creates the 3D effects?
I'm going to answer your last question first because it is the easiest one to answer. The S-Logic surround effect is as a result of built-in physical audio engineering. See the Ultrasone website Ultrasone for more information on this.
Either you heard a Pro 750 that wasn't fully burned in or somewhere in your audio chain something was causing the sound problem you mentioned. Perhaps the audio, itself, was the problem, I don't know.
I've never heard the Pro 550 so, consequently, I can't comment on it's sound or performance. Here is a link to a review involving the Pro 550 which was written by member, Kernmac that you might find informative:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/pro...w-pics-343015/

In the following link, please look at post #35, my "Reply to Shahrose":

Looking for ~$300 reference, untouched, neutral, transparent, "artist-intended" headphones - Page 4 - Head-Fi: Covering Headphones, Earphones and Portable Audio

Thank you for your post. I hope this response is helpful to you.
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post #98 of 459
7/29/08 at 4:00am
The thing with the Proline 650 is that they have an "expanded" s-logic, so to speak. Ultrasone claims 3D on this model, so I'm just curious about the 3D. We obviously need the graphic frequency for all the models to add to the Missing Manual section, then we can just relax and enjoy our lovely headphones.
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post #99 of 459
7/29/08 at 7:47am
Hi all!!! I'm an old old old owner of a pair of ultrasone proline 750! When I bought them, in this forum there were only 2-3 topics about ultrasone cans... (more than 2 years ago!). I probably was one of the first to trust them, and was pure faith (because initially my brain was not accustumed to their sound signature and I didn't like them to much). Since them I upgraded my equipment massively. From a Nad c-542 and a Rudistor Nx-01 to a BLuenote Audio Stibbert and a Rudistor Rpx-33...well, during this trip I noticed a pair of things:

1) They are absolutley dependant from the quality of your chain, when I switched back to the Nad from the Bluenote, the pro 750 were quite unlistenable!!!!!
2) I totally agree (with more than 1000 hours of listening experience) with the decription of Peter Pinna about the sound signature and expecially the soundstage of these cans, a pure "holografic" presentation. Sometimes before falling asleep, when the brain is not focusing, these cans provide a sort of trance experience!!!

So, in the end these headphones needs a lot of listening test befoure judging them... truly a lot but the reward is unbelivable!!!
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post #100 of 459
7/29/08 at 9:20am
i am interested in these phones, supposedly there is a new '2008' version of the 750 out from a seller in Taiwan

i am leaning towards these phones now, i am curious what is the effect of 'surround sound' processes on these headphones? i.e. creative's cmss, dolby headphone, srs headphone, yamaha silent cinema etc etc etc
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post #101 of 459
7/29/08 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by cappellano View Post
Hi all!!! I'm an old old old owner of a pair of ultrasone proline 750! When I bought them, in this forum there were only 2-3 topics about ultrasone cans... (more than 2 years ago!). I probably was one of the first to trust them, and was pure faith (because initially my brain was not accustumed to their sound signature and I didn't like them to much). Since them I upgraded my equipment massively. From a Nad c-542 and a Rudistor Nx-01 to a BLuenote Audio Stibbert and a Rudistor Rpx-33...well, during this trip I noticed a pair of things:

1) They are absolutley dependant from the quality of your chain, when I switched back to the Nad from the Bluenote, the pro 750 were quite unlistenable!!!!!
2) I totally agree (with more than 1000 hours of listening experience) with the decription of Peter Pinna about the sound signature and expecially the soundstage of these cans, a pure "holografic" presentation. Sometimes before falling asleep, when the brain is not focusing, these cans provide a sort of trance experience!!!

So, in the end these headphones needs a lot of listening test befoure judging them... truly a lot but the reward is unbelivable!!!
I completely agree with cappellano's opinion and, of course, Peter Pinna's opinion on the Proline 750.

The 750s are incredibly revealing headphones. Hence, if you are hearing crap through your 750, then it's most probably your audio equipment that is sending out crap material and not your headphone. Conversely, if you have high standard gears, then you will most likely appreciate your 750s because it will deliver the sound that these superior gears have intended to have delivered.

I find my 750s to be very sensitive to the gear it is attached to, but once you find the sweet spot, you immediately realise what a fantastic piece of head gear you have.
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post #102 of 459
7/29/08 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by worldman View Post
I completely agree with cappellano's opinion and, of course, Peter Pinna's opinion on the Proline 750.

The 750s are incredibly revealing headphones. Hence, if you are hearing crap through your 750, then it's most probably your audio equipment that is sending out crap material and not your headphone. Conversely, if you have high standard gears, then you will most likely appreciate your 750s because it will deliver the sound that these superior gears have intended to have delivered.

I find my 750s to be very sensitive to the gear it is attached to, but once you find the sweet spot, you immediately realise what a fantastic piece of head gear you have.
i think the recording quality of the music is just as important. i was very surprised when i saw headroom describe the pl750's bass as "boomy" since i had never heard tighter bass from a headphone (or speaker for that matter). i bet they're listening to recordings that just have boomy bass.

i have songs where the bass is boomy, and songs where it is not, and the proline distinguishes between the two, whereas a lot of my other audio gear kind of makes the bass sound the same (inaccurately).
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post #103 of 459
7/30/08 at 4:14am
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post
i think the recording quality of the music is just as important. i was very surprised when i saw headroom describe the pl750's bass as "boomy" since i had never heard tighter bass from a headphone (or speaker for that matter). i bet they're listening to recordings that just have boomy bass.

i have songs where the bass is boomy, and songs where it is not, and the proline distinguishes between the two, whereas a lot of my other audio gear kind of makes the bass sound the same (inaccurately).
I have to agree about the bass, especially comparing them w/ the Sennheiser HD280 Pro's they replace.

Also this is the first pair of phones that I had that literally hate it when you play around w/ the EQ.

One weird thing w/ the S-Logic if you try to add a surround or live effect of any type it can hard to tell it's on than other phones.

I really think these compliment my K701's. The major dislike I have is how low the cable connector is, I keep bumping it on my shoulder. I like to slouch while I'm on the computer.
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post #104 of 459
7/30/08 at 4:56am
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post
i think the recording quality of the music is just as important. i was very surprised when i saw headroom describe the pl750's bass as "boomy" since i had never heard tighter bass from a headphone (or speaker for that matter). i bet they're listening to recordings that just have boomy bass.
The reason this oppinion seems so prevalent is because Ultrasones have considerably more bass response than most headphones. Bass is deeper, has more reverberation, and more volume than is typical for a headphone.

Other 'phones that do have bass to match them in volume usually fall short in terms of quality, depth, and keeping bass from interfering with the rest of the spectrum. Take D2000 for example. Stock, its considered a very "boomy" headphone, and yet this is just a property of its huge bass partially obscuring the mids. I think alot of people get used to simply thinking of bass in this quantity as "boomy", regardless of how well controlled it is or not, and write it off as such.

Headphones with potent bass that still manage to retain balance, definition, texture and seperation are rare. So far the only ones I've heard do so were PS-1, Omega 2, and Pro 750, although the Pro's bass does fall short of the former two in terms of quality.

Thus I'm very eager for my Ed9.
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post #105 of 459
7/30/08 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post
i think the recording quality of the music is just as important. i was very surprised when i saw headroom describe the pl750's bass as "boomy" since i had never heard tighter bass from a headphone (or speaker for that matter). i bet they're listening to recordings that just have boomy bass.

i have songs where the bass is boomy, and songs where it is not, and the proline distinguishes between the two, whereas a lot of my other audio gear kind of makes the bass sound the same (inaccurately).
Yes, Shahrose, thank you for pointing that out. I completely concur with your opinion and also that of necrosis and Covenant.

The bass emanating from the 750 is pure bliss.

My Proline 750 does so much wonders to my listening experience that it keeps me from wanting to move to the Ed9, so Covenant, please do not lure me to that. Thou art evil......
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