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post #46 of 91
Cables make absolutely no difference to the sound if they are functioning properly. They should be audibly transparent.

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Steve
post #47 of 91
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
Cables make absolutely no difference to the sound if they are functioning properly. They should be audibly transparent.

See ya
Steve
And yet there are STILL literally dozens, if not hundreds of "reviews", or listening impressions, or opinions of some wire which "pollute" this forum of truth in audio!

Lemmings, I tell ya! The whole lot of 'em! Placebo! Gimme some wire coat hangers and don't you dare charge me any money! You're all scam artists and shills! Snake oil and sugar pills!



right?


post #48 of 91
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
Cables make absolutely no difference to the sound if they are functioning properly. They should be audibly transparent.

See ya
Steve
What really blows my mind is how highly people seem to think of their ears and the speakers that are transmitting the sound.

Seriously, even if a power cable did have some sort of vague effect on the sound it would be so microscopic that a speaker would never be able to produce it. More than that, even if one did have some sort of super-speaker crafted by the hand of god that could relay such microscopic differences, the human ear would never catch it.

It's like the people who swear that their speakers play from 20hz to 20khz. First off, no - your speakers don't. Secondly, you'd NEVER be able to tell without a mechanical device showing it to you.
post #49 of 91
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Originally Posted by yotacowboy View Post
And yet there are STILL literally dozens, if not hundreds of "reviews", or listening impressions, or opinions of some wire which "pollute" this forum of truth in audio!

Lemmings, I tell ya! The whole lot of 'em! Placebo! Gimme some wire coat hangers and don't you dare charge me any money! You're all scam artists and shills! Snake oil and sugar pills!



right?


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post #50 of 91


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post #51 of 91
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Originally Posted by Terminus Est 23 View Post
It's like the people who swear that their speakers play from 20hz to 20khz. First off, no - your speakers don't. Secondly, you'd NEVER be able to tell without a mechanical device showing it to you.
I've ran test tones from 20Hz to 100Hz, I can hear 30Hz. I don't want to try the super high frequencies, my head will hurt
post #52 of 91
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Originally Posted by FallenAngel View Post
I've ran test tones from 20Hz to 100Hz, I can hear 30Hz. I don't want to try the super high frequencies, my head will hurt
30hz-18Khz is, as I recall, the norm of "good" hearing. People who live in big cities are worse. Anyone over the age of 5 who can hear 20 to 20 is a freak of nature or was raised in silence.
post #53 of 91
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Originally Posted by Terminus Est 23 View Post
30hz-18Khz is, as I recall, the norm of "good" hearing. People who live in big cities are worse. Anyone over the age of 5 who can hear 20 to 20 is a freak of nature or was raised in silence.
Yeah, I couldn't resist and downloaded some 16kHz, 18kHz and 20kHz tones. 16 and 18 are very irritating, like a mosquito, 20kHz, I can't hear (and foobar2000 doesn't show on very well on the visualizer.
post #54 of 91
I'll just relate one more story. As I mentioned, I'm an audio engineer (I preface audio not to come off as an authority but to make it clear I'm not a real engineer like an electrical engineer) and with that I've recorded dozens upon dozens of bands. In just about every session there comes a time when a guy wants to hear more of some certain instrument and often times it is difficult to do this without screwing up everyone else . . . You can not believe how often I've reached down, pretended to turn a button, turned to the guy-in-question and said, "Is that better?" and received an immediate, "Oh yeah, that's perfect!"
post #55 of 91
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Originally Posted by Terminus Est 23 View Post
I'll just relate one more story. As I mentioned, I'm an audio engineer (I preface audio not to come off as an authority but to make it clear I'm not a real engineer like an electrical engineer) and with that I've recorded dozens of bands. In just about every session there comes a time when a guy wants to hear more of some certain instrument and often times it is difficult to do this without screwing up everyone else . . . You can not believe how often I've reached down, pretended to turn a button, turned to the guy-in-question and said, "Is that better?" and received an immediate, "Oh yeah, that's perfect!"
Lol, should have turned his headphones up.
post #56 of 91
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Originally Posted by yotacowboy View Post
And yet there are STILL literally dozens, if not hundreds of "reviews", or listening impressions, or opinions of some wire which "pollute" this forum of truth in audio!

Lemmings, I tell ya! The whole lot of 'em! Placebo! Gimme some wire coat hangers and don't you dare charge me any money! You're all scam artists and shills! Snake oil and sugar pills!



right?


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post #57 of 91
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Originally Posted by yotacowboy View Post
And yet there are STILL literally dozens, if not hundreds of "reviews", or listening impressions, or opinions of some wire which "pollute" this forum of truth in audio!
If someone finds that a cable alters the quality of the sound, it is either: A) defective or B) not measured properly. A cable should not color the sound. That isn't its job. There are better and more precise ways to accomplish correct equalization and phase than by randomly swapping cables in and out to see what particular type of hobbling accomplishes the effect one is looking for. It isn't difficult to design and build a transparent cable. There are lots of them available at very reasonable prices.

See ya
Steve
post #58 of 91
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
If someone finds that a cable alters the quality of the sound, it is either: A) defective or B) not measured properly. A cable should not color the sound. That isn't its job. There are better and more precise ways to accomplish correct equalization and phase than by randomly swapping cables in and out to see what particular type of hobbling accomplishes the effect one is looking for. It isn't difficult to design and build a transparent cable. There are lots of them available at very reasonable prices.

See ya
Steve
Do tell what a "transparent" cable is and list a few of the "lots of them".
post #59 of 91
Transparent = doesn't impart anything to the sound.

Few of the cheap cables:
For only $2.19 each when QTY 50+ purchased - PREMIUM 2 RCA Plug/2 RCA Plug M/M 22AWG Cable - 6ft | RCA Audio Cables
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RadioShack.com - Cables, Parts & Connectors: A/V cables: Subwoofer & interconnect cables: Phoenix Gold (ARX-520) 6.5-Ft. Audio Interconnect Cable
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BJC, everyone here knows about them, do I have to link?
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I don't have an online link, but I saw some interconnects at Home Depot that were decently constructed and were reasonable.

I'd say BJC is on the pricey side actually; I would recommend them in more EMI/RF dense areas that need broadcast-quality stuff to block out interference. For most people monoprice cables will do it.

And because I know it'll come up (why not just use coat hangers?!), there are non-audible reasons to pick certain cables. I've seen some instances in really crappy environments where gold-plating might be preferable if the cables are only touched once in awhile - a layer of oxidation is nasty to handle and can crust off. I've seen it happen at some pro studios. Also, coat hangers don't hold up to as much abuse. Finally, it looks nice. Honestly, for a couple bucks more just having the nice cable in the back is worth it for me. Then of course there's the EMI/RF problem as stated above.
post #60 of 91
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Originally Posted by royalcrown View Post
Transparent = doesn't impart anything to the sound.
Of course, this does bring me to the obvious question, what makes you say this cable is "transparent" vs another? What point of reference would you be using for transparency? And of course, how are you determining whether something is transparent?
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