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post #31 of 105
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Hey guys, just got back from CC. My mistake was to first try out a Rebel XSi. Within five minutes or so I got used to it almost like second nature, and after getting tired of the 18-55mm lens, I grabbed a nearby 55-200mm lens (I think it was the one that was just released?) and fooled around with that one too.

Then after almost half an hour with it, I decided to finally try out the Nikon D40. I was sad. Like this: All the cool dedicated buttons seemed to be gone, and I couldn't figure out how to alter some settings for awhile (ISO and AF, for example).

Funny thing was, as I was leaving CC, I saw one of the very high-end Canon models sitting next to the XSi. I was all "Y'know, I shouldn't...but I will," and I picked it up to see how good it was compared to . I immediately got confused by all the buttons and the unfamiliar layout, and so I gave up on it.

So yes, my sights are now firmly set on a Canon Rebel XSi, and I'm going to buy it online.
That amazon.com price does seem nice this time of year.

I'm going to guess I'll need a macro lens and a "far-range" lens to even out the view spectrum. Can you guys help me out further here?

Again, thanks for all of your comments and advice.
post #32 of 105
Buttons and layout, you can learn. But you went with my recommendation of XSi so it all worked out in the end.

I don't think you'll be getting a macro and telephoto and still be in $1000 budget. Are you revising your budget?
post #33 of 105
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Buttons and layout, you can learn. But you went with my recommendation of XSi so it all worked out in the end.

I don't think you'll be getting a macro and telephoto and still be in $1000 budget. Are you revising your budget?
lol Well, not that Rebel XS model threw a wrench in my plans, but I think I'll still go with the XSi...

And maybe I can go a few hundred over $1000...it depends how much I have left over with the other $1000 after my audio renovation is all said and done.
post #34 of 105
are you doing body + kit or body only? because US1Photo.com has the body + kit lens model a bit cheaper than Amazon (it's got good user reviews from pricegrabber too so it's a reliable merchant)

XSi + 18-55mm IS Kit - $824.99 + free ship from US1Photo:
US1photo.com

XSi Body Only Kit - $759.95 + free ship from Amazon:
Amazon.com: Canon Digital Rebel XSI 12MP Digital SLR Camera (Black Body Only): Electronics


My recommendation would be to go with the body only and purchase the lenses separately. The 18-55 IS is a nice starter lens but it's very limiting in the fact that it's only f/3.5-5.6 wide open.
post #35 of 105
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Thanks Sh0eBoX, I did feel that the lens was very limited; it did what it was supposed to, but the results were nothing mind-blowing.

Body-only it is then...I'm still unsure of the lens situation, since I seem to be throwing almost all my money onto the XSi, but I can't imagine handling another camera other than that one.
post #36 of 105
heheh yeah well, after your camera how much are you willing to budget into lenses for the moment?

and also... give us some info on how you plan to shoot mainly as this can help us put your money into some glass that would suit your needs best for now and then you can save up for the others later if need be.

but of course, i will recommend no matter what you choose to buy first... invest in a 50mm f/1.8 right away because it's a cheap, must-have piece of glass. great for night shots (since it's fast) and it's tack sharp! unless of course your needs would lead you into buying the 50mm f/1.4 instead
post #37 of 105
Using an XTi myself, and yes I'd agree that the user interface and the ergonomics of the XSi is superior to the older models. But newer models are always gonna be expensive and improvements (image quality wise) are little (not if you dig the live view, then you really need an XSi etc). The lenses on the other hand are the real investments that'll last you through camera body changes, and they too have a massive effect on the image quality. The older cameras may have a clunkier interface, but a bit of practice soon overcame that. So if you feel bad dumping too much cash into the XSi, why not consider the older models still on sale?
post #38 of 105
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Um...there's one small thing I didn't mention about my trip to CC...the Rebel XTi was the only one that couldn't be working at the time.

So I truly don't know how nice the XTi is...I only took home shots from the XSi and D40.
post #39 of 105
Oh hrm, you should see if you can get your hands on a functional XTi soon before you take the plunge on the XSi --- you could potentially save some money and have more to spend on lenses! (and you could jump on those crazy good deals that i posted a page or two ago if you're willing to buy used!)
post #40 of 105
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Oh hrm, you should see if you can get your hands on a functional XTi soon before you take the plunge on the XSi --- you could potentially save some money and have more to spend on lenses! (and you could jump on those crazy good deals that i posted a page or two ago if you're willing to buy used!)
Well, fudge...lol guess I have to go to Best Buy to try it out, since knowing my CC's customer service, the XTi's power isn't going to be restored for another week.

I'd be willing to buy lens used, but not the body...it's just the weird way I roll, that's all.
post #41 of 105
Yay for XSi! I have a 450D (Rebel XSi in Asian model parlance) and I've been using it quite extensively in Singapore while I'm working on my journalistic internship. Fortunately I'm not a photojournalist, so I don't have to worry about getting photos good enough for printing in the newspaper, but it's just great fun to have the camera around and snapping shots of everyone and everything. My first experience was actually with a D40 that I borrowed for a week - and shot something like 500-600 pictures with over the course of that weekend - and I like the dedicated buttons on the XSi so much more than the menu-based controls of the D40. The 40D that my aunt has is also somewhat confusing because of the sheer amount of buttons and somewhat illogical lay-out of the controls. My pet peeve with the XSi is the fact that it's a bit too light - the 70-200 F4L non-IS already unbalances the camera by being a lot lens-heavier without the battery grip, but I don't want to carry the battery grip around because it's more weight in my backpack! The AI Focus point selection could use a little work, as well, as it tends to select points that I don't want it to focus on, and then I have to manually select the point by rotating the command dial (is that way the little dial next to the trigger is called?) to the preferred point.

The XSi controls are actually well-thought out and works really well as an entry-level/mid-level DSLR, and the grip is marginally better than the XTi - but still fails in terms of comfort compared to the Nikon grips. High ISO (800-1600) pictures are INCREDIBLY noise-free when I'm shooting hand-held, and it's really nice to be able to not use the built-in flash except for situations where you absolutely, positively, can't live without it, because it's less intrusive and more natural that way. The Live View function is quite useful for those awkward positions. If only the AF function in Live-View was quicker...

Biggest piece of advice that many of my shutterbug friends passed on to me is just to not be shy about taking out the camera and snapping pictures. You think you're rather conspicuous and obnoxious pulling out a big DSLR that goes "WHIRR-CLICK" (or rather the high-pitched "PSHEEEEW" with the 450D/XSi, à la ST phaser) but really, people don't care very much about what you're doing.

Don't fret too much about the lens(es) - it's just upgraditis/lens envy, and you should have experience staving it off from Head-fi. Right? Riiiiiiiight.

Current lens line-up includes kit lens (18-55 IS), nifty fifty (50mm f/1.8) and a 28-105 USM I just acquired today for USD130 in local currency. Oh, and a borrowed 70-200 F4L that I'm in LOVE LOVE LOVE with but will have to return by the weekend. My current search is for a zoom (50/70-200+) fast aperture lens (2.8 or smaller) or walkabout (2x-7x/8x?) fast aperture lens, but I'm still saving up $$.

Some pictures from my 450D at High ISO. Cropped towards the center of the picture significantly for greater detail.


ISO 800, 18-55 IS.




ISO 1600, 70-200 F4L, all 3 of the above pictures.
post #42 of 105
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See what people like roastpuff do to me? I'm currently trying to convince myself that I could possibly live with an XTi, and then he drops by and reminds me of how great the XSi is.

I agree, the first pictures I took with the XSi were (unwittingly) ISO 1600, and the lack of any major noise artifacts really blew me away once I realized I was taking shots at that ISO level.
post #43 of 105
haha yeah understandable i'm actually more inclined to buy the body new as well (unless of course i come upon a killer deal and the actuations are low... which btw the FS ads i linked to previously are )
post #44 of 105
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Originally Posted by Sh0eBoX View Post
haha yeah understandable i'm actually more inclined to buy the body new as well (unless of course i come upon a killer deal and the actuations are low... which btw the FS ads i linked to previously are )
Yeah...that one sale is really killing me: rebel xti black + nifty fifty+ xti field guide book - Canon Digital Photography Forums

Argh, I guess I'll sign up for the forum right now and PM the guy...I have a dentist appointment in 8 hours and here I am up hunting for cameras.

EDIT: Arrrgh, what's taking the confirmation email so long to come?!

YES! There it is!
post #45 of 105
hahaha good luck! hopefully you can land the sale because that's definitely a great deal
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