Too much coincidence to be true... - Page 11

I'm sorry Larry, there is still the option of raiding his house with pitchforks and torches..

We could always make a mini-meet of it...

X2
Yes, that appears to be the same everywhere. But where i live, umm... This place is a paradise in comparison...

hmm
I almost bought a Lavry DA10 from him, but the voice in my head told me no.

Good call.

Trust the voice in your head.

I run a forum with a 10th the membership of this place, and we had to lock down the For Sale section to people with 100 posts AND two months membership. Also, we require ID for sales over $50. The latter would be entirely impractical here obviously, I just wanted to give an idea what we had to set to prevent issues. 30 posts were just causing people to sign up and make 30 flippant comments before scamming others.

I almost had a trade deal with him for my ad2000 but fortunatley i drag out myself on time.

I pm'd Punnisher. He did not have a for sale post. I would buy again from him anytime.
I do see your point though.

Yeah, I am sorry that I did not out him earlier. He was interested in my HP-2's when I thought I was going to sell them, and he wrote me a lot of PM's (and kept doing so after I decided not to sell them). He would write PM's from both Waddragon and lucky_star, and in one of the PM's he wrote the exact same text in both PM's, so I asked him if he was the same person and he admitted it. I did not bother to report it because I did not realize it was not allowed and it seemed harmless to me at the time. I am really sorry that I did not report it...I could have saved Larry the trouble!

Here is that PM exchange:

Originally Posted by lucky_star
Hi stuartr
if you are planning to sell it again, plz contact
I accept your price 1500$+paypal fee and shipment
i live in Berkeley, Ca
THANKS
yes, I am "waddragon" too . I have rarely used this nick.

By the way, he also tried to get me to trade my HP-2's to him for the HE60/HEV70 combo he got from cant sleep. He said he paid 1800 dollars for them and wanted me to trade plus 300 dollars cash for the headphones. I refused, because he struck me as untrustworthy, but mostly because I have heard that combo and think it is awful (no offense to anyone who likes them).

Dude, I'm not even going to talk about my personal experience with him, but let's just say he first tries to trick you without batting an eye, and then calls YOU the tricky one. It sucks that I have been either directly or tangentially involved in the last two HF scam/deceit stories. Let's try to prevent a third from occurring.

Part of an email I just sent him:

i remember being involved in a pm conversation with him (waddragon) about the L3000 and told him that it was a great headphone but expensive - a lot of money to have tied up in one item. he said that's what credit cards were for. did he not realize that those things have to be paid off.

on a side note, i'm extremely careful about who i purchase items from. most of the time i rely on feedback, but often just a gut instinct as well. have never encountered any problems on head-fi. a combination of luck and good sense, i suppose.

Well, I did get to listen to his L3000, and I can say his debt was my gain, in that instance.

Guess I'll elaborate on my experience:
Initially, he coerced me into putting down a deposit for an item I wanted, claiming that he had another buyer. But the truth is, he was probably bull****ting me. Then, he offered me an HE60/HEV70 system for $1800, and the next day told me he was selling it for $2300 to someone else. WTF?! So I pulled out of the deal on his other item, because he pissed me off, and made me not trust him. Then he wouldn't return all of the deposit, because I was being the "tricky" one. Ok, man, you lied to me on several occasions, and scared me off. That voids our initial agreement. Get it?

Hope you are now reading this on one of your ten other accounts, including creditcarddebtdragon, or fallingcredit_star!

Most people are just honest....so trust them

Hello,

I understand your point, but please don't do that

I have no post there on head-fi, just because I have nothing to say, but I spend a lot of time on the FS forum and could obviously buy overly expensive gear such as GRADO HP1-2 or STAX OMEGA 2.

I would be happy to participate in this community but my gear and knowledge are not sufficient right now (I don't want you people to make fun at me...and at my potential weak reviews...)

The only way to participate would be to own good audio gear, and the only way to do that is to buy it on the FS forum

Buyers definitely need to be protected from scammers....As for Sellers I understand your point but scammers are rapidly pointed out and banned (hopefully!).

That's what we can see here...and as you, I think that this story is very sad, but in fact that is what most headfiers do...selling their gear for a higher price or at the same price they bought it (only for expensive and rare gear I mean...such as K1000 for example). They don't do it for profit only, but it is quite the same at the end. But ethically acceptable still...do not misinterpret my point.

Do not forget that most people are honest and then they deserved to be trust even if they have no feedback (that is what we called the "présomption d'innocence" in French law, once you are not found guilty you are stated as innocent and then trustworthy).

This community must stay open and not become a closed fraternity of young audio fan millionnaires!!!

Hope you guys will understand my point.

Sorry, I meant seller too. Maybe it's just a trend for the lower priced items, but I think pretty much every person I've bought from over this forum didn't meet any of those requirements =\

agree.
This is the best forum around for audio and maybe any hobby interest. Just because there are more members now participating does not mean people should not use caution, I still unload and buy of the forum but have thankfully not encontered such caveats. Always be mindful as there are those that would deceive you in/on any level anywhere in life.

Well put elrod and touche..