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Blue Pill or Red Pill?

post #1 of 63
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Read "The 10 Biggest Lies in Audio"


http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_i...ritic_26_r.pdf
post #2 of 63
clever thread title. i like it. also, the article makes me feel better because i often can't hear things that i feel like i'm supposed to hear.
post #3 of 63
Yeah, read that before...that's got to be the most bitter article I've ever read, lol. I agree with some of the statements, for sure (CD treatments, etc.), but the "burn in is a myth", "digital sounds worse myth" and a couple of the others are...well, subjective. I think there ARE differences in interconnects, maybe some power cords, power conditioning, etc. Not just because we're willing to spend money on these things, but it's a fact that if cable A sounds better than cable B, then they are different...never mind the cost or the manufacturer claims, if you like one over the other, so be it. There may not be "scientific proof", but if you feel something is inherently better than the other, and you can detect a difference, then fine...placebo it may be, but nothing's wrong with that. What's galling is the outrageous claims some manufacturers make, full of audiophile buzzwords, to justify exorbitant prices. Cabling in particular really pisses me off. For line level IC's, there IS a difference, be it in materials, shielding, connectors, etc. Still, some of the prices are completely insane. Why the hell should three feet of plastic, metal, and bits and peices cost more than an entire component?

BTW, this article is eight years old...some things HAVE changed in that time.
post #4 of 63
omg... my life has been a lie?!
post #5 of 63
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Originally Posted by Golden Monkey View Post
Yeah, read that before...that's got to be the most bitter article I've ever read, lol. I agree with some of the statements, for sure (CD treatments, etc.), but the "burn in is a myth", "digital sounds worse myth" and a couple of the others are...well, subjective. I think there ARE differences in interconnects, maybe some power cords, power conditioning, etc. Not just because we're willing to spend money on these things, but it's a fact that if cable A sounds better than cable B, then they are different...never mind the cost or the manufacturer claims, if you like one over the other, so be it. There may not be "scientific proof", but if you feel something is inherently better than the other, and you can detect a difference, then fine...placebo it may be, but nothing's wrong with that. What's galling is the outrageous claims some manufacturers make, full of audiophile buzzwords, to justify exorbitant prices. Cabling in particular really pisses me off. For line level IC's, there IS a difference, be it in materials, shielding, connectors, etc. Still, some of the prices are completely insane. Why the hell should three feet of plastic, metal, and bits and peices cost more than an entire component?

BTW, this article is eight years old...some things HAVE changed in that time.

I too believe there are subtle differences in IC's and speaker cables but calling one better than the other is subjective. and I'm willing to bet there's cable/IC that costs $5 per foot that, while maybe not as fat or impressive looking, sound exactly the same as those costing $1000 per foot...

As far as the age of the article, you're right!
I don't think cryogenic treatment nor ultra low jitter clocking hoodoo was getting pimped back then!

enjoy the music
post #6 of 63
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clever thread title. i like it. also, the article makes me feel better because i often can't hear things that i feel like i'm supposed to hear.
You're not the only one!!!

I really want to believe the hype but my experience has more often deflated the marketing-speak.
post #7 of 63
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omg... my life has been a lie?!

don't get down on yourself as "faith" is a very powerful guiding force.

Just be careful in who you place your faith in...and in all thing audio.... follow the money.
post #8 of 63
If you believe in the placebo, it is real.
post #9 of 63
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If you believe in the placebo, it is real.
Yes, and if you're ever in the desert and you see a mirage of a 99 cent slurpee stand, follow it because it's real if you believe in it.
post #10 of 63
I was reading through some old threads about HD650 cables since I was looking for one.

Folks were comparing Cable X vs. Cable Y vs. Senn stock cable

In every opinion voiced (X vs. Y, X vs. Senn stock, Y vs. Senn stock), one was better than the other in some cases, but worse in others. For example: Y had better highs than Senn stock, but the Senn stock had better bass slam and prat; X had less grainy mids than Senn stock, but Senn stock had a more expansive soundstage; etc.

Not sure what to do at this point. I'd still like an upgraded cable, but for something that costs $300-400 dollars, I'd expect it to SIMPLY BE BETTER than Senn stock -not just altering the sound.
post #11 of 63
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Originally Posted by Know Talent View Post
I loved this article.

These are all the things that I had been skeptical about when I first started posting on headfi. I am also a Junior in college majoring in Electrical Engineering. I was tired of being fed 100% ********.

I'm going to keep saying the things I know are right.


To whoever said it was bitter, I agree. It was bitter. It needs to be. You can't take crazy people lightly.
post #12 of 63
I agree. People paying hundreds, even thousands for pieces of wire is sad.
post #13 of 63
I still remember that one time when three cables were shipped out to a fair amount of Head-Fi members (CONUS, I think), one silver, one copper, and one from RadioShack.

IIRC, the graphs showed that most thought the copper was the silver one, the silver one was the RadioShack one, and the RadioShack the silver one. Something like that. Only one person got all three right.

The point is...well, you know already from what I just recalled.
post #14 of 63
A "mental virus"? As in... religion is a mental virus. It's human of us to catch these things. A force of life/anti-life. I'm probably infected/enjoying a myriad now.... lol....
post #15 of 63
I agree about the cables tbh from my brief stint in researching ipod LODs.

It seems that the material does more for a) aesthetics, b) longevity, c) flexibility than sound.

I would only consider $70 for a dedicated LOD when I already have a cheap mini-mini cardas (actually barely more expensive than the cheapest cable at dixons in uk and much shorter than what I could get in UK) because it is a) more convenient, b) more compact (especially that cryo cable stuff) c) might last longer. d) nicer aesthetic lol.

Let's face it, you just can't get a cheapo 6" cable from dixons or maplin. You can buy lengths and then start cutting - then they charge tons for tools and soldering irons, and force bulk buying of connectors.

Sound? hah. Sound is already messed up by ambient noise, the source, microphonics (although low on UM2) and headphone cable that can often be cheap and less sturdy (had loads of sony headphone cables break).

What the pdf does show though that a bit of thought in the wire does take money - I know people say cheapo cables are just as good - but i got a cheap RCA to mini from sainsbury's and it picks up my mobile phone and radio interference more than the DAC or Amp or even the cheap OFC cabling I got from an audio store.

(to illustrate - X-fi --> digital cable --> MD10 modded dac --> cheapo sainsbury's cable (about £3 or $6) --> xin reference. Picks up my phone calls, swap the sainsbury's with a £8 or $16 cable from audio store (with much higher quality plugs too and sturdier cable) and almost no interference. ))

So there is a benefit to going cheap, but don't compromise on shielding, connectors and durability. That's where the higher price is warranted.

P.s. There is burn in!!!! Head burns in. You get used to sound. You start to hear nuances and understand what is there better. You develop your ear and appreciation for what is there and what isn't. DAC1 is great example of this. As is any amp with a big capacitor (12 or 15kmf)
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