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post #16 of 73
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Originally Posted by Pangaea View Post
Wow I am surprised by the the replies. It sounds like the Rega P2 is not widely regarded.
Regas are definitely not widely regarded by people who don't like Rega. What really kills me is many people are quick to make comparisons of their favorite turntable to tables they have never owned. Perhaps the people giving you advice in this thread are exceptions and when they say that their turntable is way better than a Rega that they have actually owned both. But people around here usually don't qualify their advice.

I own a P7, which is out of your price range. But my point is that when I was shopping for a turntable last year there were a lot of people who tried to talk me out of the Rega saying they were mediocre turntables. They turned out to be dead ass wrong, and I realized that I was getting advice from people who don't much care for Rega.

--Jerome
post #17 of 73
it is not about not liking Rega it is more about the price performance ratio and understanding what you are buying. The strong side of a rega table is the arm the weak side of the table is the plinth and motor. They make decent enough tables but there are other options that provide greater dollar value and sound quality IMHO. Did rega ever fix the slightly fast motor issue they had btw.

Rega tables are good simple out of the box solutions for vinyl that require little tweaking or maintenance but there are better solutions out there at this price range.

Think about cost factors a $500 table with an arm is almost impossible to make with top flight parts. At a retail of $500 the dealer cost is going to be $300 to $400 then there is the distributor that buys them from the manufacturer so let say they get them for $250 to $300 and then lets assume a manufacturer mark up of just 3x parts so that leaves $80 to $100 in parts. Lower end regas are going to perform like most lower end tables ok but leaving alot of sound on the record.
post #18 of 73
I have owned a P2 and P3 and considered it an upgrade to go to the Xpression III. However, one of the main reasons was that it ran on DC current and worked beautifully with Grado cartridges.

Rega may run on DC now, but both of mine were AC. I believe a table running DC gives one more cartridge options.

However, a turntable shouldn't make a sound or affect the sound signature of your system. If it does then it is not a very good table.

Then there is the issue of isolation. The two Regas I had did nothing for isolation. The MMF-5 has a dual-plinth design with sorbothane in the middle to help with the isolation issue. The Xpression III has sorbothane under tripod-isolation feet. They (MMF-5 + Xpression III) also isolate the motor using a rubber-band suspension system. They are both fairly flat (not too much injection of sound into the sound signature), natural, sophisticated tables.

And no, I "don't much care for Rega" so take it for what it is worth.

But at least I have owned them.
post #19 of 73
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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post
it is not about not liking Rega it is more about the price performance ratio and understanding what you are buying. The strong side of a rega table is the arm the weak side of the table is the plinth and motor. They make decent enough tables but there are other options that provide greater dollar value and sound quality IMHO. Did rega ever fix the slightly fast motor issue they had btw.
According to some, Rega never did have a problem with running fast.

And what, specifically, is wrong with the motor and plinth? Have you had any bad experiences with them, personally? If you had one that ran fast or motor/plinth problems with one you owned, please share.

I had zero problems with my Planar 3 - it completely sold me on vinyl and was a snap to set up and use. Build quality is good and it ran for a few hours every day with no problems. This, from a 20 year old deck.

There are plenty of upgrades and tweaks for these, as well. You can upgrade/tweak every part on it. Maybe not the dustcover, but everything else has upgrades.

I would have stuck with the Planar 3, but ran into a bit of money and upgraditis last year. I was itching for a suspended deck and the Orbe was a terrific deal. Zero regrets whatsoever about the Planar 3, though. I gave the setup to a good friend who loves it and uses it constantly. No problems there, either.
post #20 of 73
never owned a rega table, my ex-local shop in Florida sold them and I was able to audition them from the p3 on up. Like I said they are not bad tables but the plinth offers no isolation. The motor issue has been pretty well documented on the web. If the table was well put together out of the shop there would not be such a large cottage industry designed to improve them? This is no different from the LP12 which while I love it requires way too many 'upgrades' to make it competitive with tables that are 20 years old.
Again I am not saying they are bad just that there is alot more resolution to be had from LPs than the regas can muster.
http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/vi...er=asc&start=0
post #21 of 73
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Originally Posted by TimJo View Post
Pangaea, I have a couple of questions for you.

Are you mainly using this with headphones, or is it for a speaker based system?

Will you be getting it online, or from an audio shop?
Primarily speakers, but I will also run a line to my HR Desktop Amp- and my only option is to buy online. I live in a small military town and have zero hifi shops.
post #22 of 73
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Again I am not saying they are bad just that there is alot more resolution to be had from LPs than the regas can muster.
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, such as it is, but that doesn't make it a fact. So I'll kindly disagree with you based on my daily experience with the P7 that I own and have enjoyed over the last year.

I won't argue the value proposition however, since the dollar is pretty much a worthless currency these days that might make the Regas less attractive economically. I'm not sure about that, since I haven't been turntable shopping in a while and don't really know where the prices are at currently.

--Jerome
post #23 of 73
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, such as it is, but that doesn't make it a fact. So I'll kindly disagree with you based on my daily experience with the P7 that I own and have enjoyed over the last year.

I won't argue the value proposition however, since the dollar is pretty much a worthless currency these days that might make the Regas less attractive economically. I'm not sure about that, since I haven't been turntable shopping in a while and don't really know where the prices are at currently.

--Jerome
Jerome, I absolutely agree that my opinion does not equate to fact. I am just glad to see people getting into vinyl no matter what the table. It is just such a fun format that competes with digital at all levels. Plus record shopping is a blast.
post #24 of 73
Me too. Today I had the rare pleasure of tearing the shrink wrap from an original pressing of Frank Sinatra's album Watertown. I had almost as much fun opening that piece of sonic treasure as I did listening to it.

--Jerome
post #25 of 73
Thread Starter 
What would be the best place to order a TT online?
post #26 of 73
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Originally Posted by Pangaea View Post
What would be the best place to order a TT online?
There's a Junkie that I've heard of.

One thing I don't like about Rega is their dealer system. They will sell the P1 online, but no other decks. I've heard about people ordering them from Canada, but can't give you any information about that.

I think the best deals are over at Audiogon, where I've bought my decks. I strongly recommend buying used. Most decks are well made and will hold up for decades. A cleaning, fresh oil and a new belt are within anyone's ability, and that's all most decks need.

Also, both sellers I dealt with were awesome. One I picked up from and spent a few hours chatting, playing records, etc. and it was a great time. The other had everything clean, packed in the original boxes, everything. It was just like getting a new one. Maybe better, since the guy really cared about it. Give it a try - your money will go a lot further.
post #27 of 73
Thread Starter 
Let me throw another one at ya... how is the Thorens TD-190?

Nevermind...some prelim research around the web, seems its pretty average at best.
post #28 of 73
Terrible. My friend had one and it was built like one of those USB turntables. Sad state. They used to be wonderful.
post #29 of 73
if you are not opposed to buying used, there is a regular flow of regas on audiogon and ebay.

Just wait for whichever you like and your price, and strike when the moment is right without thinking.
post #30 of 73
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Originally Posted by Pangaea View Post
Primarily speakers, but I will also run a line to my HR Desktop Amp- and my only option is to buy online. I live in a small military town and have zero hifi shops.
The main reason I asked is if your using it mostly with headphones, then the plinth is not a huge issue since the vibration issues are diminished. If you had a hifi shop nearby, then the cartridge setup would be a non-issue as well.

So, based on these factors, I agree with Unkle Eric and nikongod that audiogon is probably your best bet. In many ways a used P3 would work really well since the RB300 is a great tone-arm that doesn't break the bank, especially when bought used on audiogon. Just know that vibration isolation could be an issue, depending on where it is sitting, and how loud you like to crank your speakers.

As far as the whole Rega sound issue goes, I can only say that six years ago when I was demoing tables, I listened to Regas and Pro-Jects, and thought they were somewhat similar in sound, but at that time the Pro-Ject was a better value. That was largely a factor of buying a British built table vs. buying a Czech built table, both based on similar designs. The savings allowed me to buy a better cartridge, and because of that, I ended up with a better sounding source.

Since then I have found that I now primarily listen to vinyl, and the limitations of the plinth on the Pro-Ject led me to looking at tables again this year. This time I decided to spend a lot more, and listened to Regas, Roksans, and VPIs, and I found, for me, the sound of the Roksan Radius 5 and the VPI Scout to be far better - way more musical. This probably has something to do with the Unipivot arm design. I ended up buying a VPI. But I'm not ditching my Pro-Ject, because it is wonderful as a headphone source, so it is just going to be moved into my office for headphone use.

Okay I'll stop rambling and just say you probably can't go wrong with a Pro-Ject or a Rega. I just wish you had a way to go demo some tables first and then let your ears decide.
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