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post #6511 of 7178
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

IME, the differences between the 2000, 5000, and 7000 are really very subtle. I had to really concentrate and A/B numerous times before I was able to hear it. The 2000 really is where the law of diminishing returns gets steep.

 

I'd have to disagree. You are getting a much more refined headphone with the D7K. The D2K's bass was too flabby, and not very appealing when it came to anything but bassy tracks. The mid-bass bloom of the D2K just bleeds into the mid range just trashing any songs with vocals. It is still a very good option in its price range, but the D7K is a much better headphone IMO. 

 

Disclaimer: All these opinions are based on stock presentation, no mods. 

post #6512 of 7178
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

I'd have to disagree. You are getting a much more refined headphone with the D7K. The D2K's bass was too flabby, and not very appealing when it came to anything but bassy tracks. The mid-bass bloom of the D2K just bleeds into the mid range just trashing any songs with vocals. It is still a very good option in its price range, but the D7K is a much better headphone IMO. 

 

Disclaimer: All these opinions are based on stock presentation, no mods. 

 

+1

 

D2k vs.D7k, the refinements/improvements where instantly noticeable and its clear the D7k is way better, fixing many of the D2ks flaws and improving upon its sound.

post #6513 of 7178

I think the D7000 is going to be my end game headphone.  I'm more of an ciem guy, but after owning the LCD-2 I found it just wasn't for me.  I've already got an Toxic Cables DIY 8 wire hybrid cable made up for the ocassion  biggrin.gif

post #6514 of 7178
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Originally Posted by KimChee View Post

I think the D7000 is going to be my end game headphone.  I'm more of an ciem guy, but after owning the LCD-2 I found it just wasn't for me.  I've already got an Toxic Cables DIY 8 wire hybrid cable made up for the ocassion  biggrin.gif


How does the D7000 compare to or better the LCD-2 for you? I don't remember what the LCD-2 sounds like anymore.

 

And I can relate to the CIEM preference... the whole time I was auditioning the HD 800s and SR-007 a year or two ago, I was wishing I could listen to my customs instead.

post #6515 of 7178

I tried really hard to like the LCD-2, I really did.  To me the LCD-2 had excellent bass texturing, detail, very clean, tight bass (reasons I also love my JH16, but with much less bass quantity), but for me the bass quantity was lacking.  The mids were very liquid probably the best I've heard, very fleshed out, but natural sounding, organic if you will.  Treble had good detail, but extension wasn't the greatest. Imaging was good, but sound stage was a little smallish, and could get compressed on complex passages.

 

D7000 had good detail in the bass, was much cleaner than my D2000/D5000, and had good bass quantity.  Mids to me were very neutral sounding (sort of like my JH16), and I really prefer mids that aren't very forward.  The treble had good detail, air, sparkle, soundstage good for a closed headphone.  This phone to me represents good bass quantity/quality, good phone for people who want bass quantity/quality reverbant bass with overall high end sound.  

 

In the end it's personal preference, I guess I have more consumer tastes most reference phones sound boring to me.  

 

 

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How does the D7000 compare to or better the LCD-2 for you? I don't remember what the LCD-2 sounds like anymore.

 

And I can relate to the CIEM preference... the whole time I was auditioning the HD 800s and SR-007 a year or two ago, I was wishing I could listen to my customs instead.

post #6516 of 7178
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Originally Posted by KimChee View Post


In the end it's personal preference, I guess I have more consumer tastes most reference phones sound boring to me.  

 

 

 

+1 to that.  I think there's a time and place for different sound sigs, and the D7000's sound can work nicely with a lot of genre's.  No its not neutral, there are certainly more resolving, and natural sounding phones.  But the Denon line has a really fun bass coupled with sparkly treble that is very pleasing.

post #6517 of 7178
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

IME, the differences between the 2000, 5000, and 7000 are really very subtle. I had to really concentrate and A/B numerous times before I was able to hear it. The 2000 really is where the law of diminishing returns gets steep.

Your opinion matters greatly. You said this was YOUR experience. Why on Head Fi do people have to argue/"disagree" with a persons opinion and experience? I don't get it and I read it almost daily.
post #6518 of 7178
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

I'd have to disagree. You are getting a much more refined headphone with the D7K. The D2K's bass was too flabby, and not very appealing when it came to anything but bassy tracks. The mid-bass bloom of the D2K just bleeds into the mid range just trashing any songs with vocals. It is still a very good option in its price range, but the D7K is a much better headphone IMO. 

 

Disclaimer: All these opinions are based on stock presentation, no mods. 

 

I agree there is a difference and that the D7000 is noticeably better, but I think terms like "much more refined" and "much better" are pure hyperbole. When I discuss a headphone, I am careful to say that it is "in my opinion" or "I think" so readers know I am not stating a "fact." I am also careful to use terms like "noticeable" or "significant" to convey that, while a difference exists, it isnt night and day. I tink this keeps differences in perspective so when one headphone really does sound "way better" than another, it is actually meaningful.

 

Again, all my personal opinion - no skin off my back if someone disagrees with me.

post #6519 of 7178
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Your opinion matters greatly. You said this was YOUR experience. Why on Head Fi do people have to argue/"disagree" with a persons opinion and experience? I don't get it and I read it almost daily.

 

I appreciate the sentiment, but I do think it's fair for Greed to have an opinion too. After all, we are all here to talk about headphones, right? His/her opinion is no more or less valid than mine, and since it is counter to mine, it's makes sense to voice it.

post #6520 of 7178

I remember the first time I sat down to enjoy Cello on the D7000, my Janos Starker CDs sounded soooo wink.gifgood.

 

The following year, I brought home a DVD of his: "Starker Plays Baker" @ 24/96 kHz and eek.gif my goodness!!! Sublime...

 

 Janos Starker - Starker Plays Baker

  Janos Starker - Starker Plays Baker

 

Classic Records (DVD 24/96)

Classical


DVD 24/96

 

post #6521 of 7178
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

 

I agree there is a difference and that the D7000 is noticeably better, but I think terms like "much more refined" and "much better" are pure hyperbole. When I discuss a headphone, I am careful to say that it is "in my opinion" or "I think" so readers know I am not stating a "fact." I am also careful to use terms like "noticeable" or "significant" to convey that, while a difference exists, it isnt night and day. I tink this keeps differences in perspective so when one headphone really does sound "way better" than another, it is actually meaningful.

 

Again, all my personal opinion - no skin off my back if someone disagrees with me.

 

I agree, sometimes we all go overboard when describing differences. But honestly, to me there is more of a difference than just noticeable, obviously YMMV. I assume whenever someone talks, more specifically sharing an opinion that it is (IMO), so needing to say it after every possible contrary statement is just more work for the writer. 

 

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


Your opinion matters greatly. You said this was YOUR experience. Why on Head Fi do people have to argue/"disagree" with a persons opinion and experience? I don't get it and I read it almost daily.

 

Personally, I see forums as places where people share there opinions. I don't think either of us will disagree with that. But naturally when you have opinions expressed, people aren't always going to see eye to eye. With that being said, disagreeing isn't bad nor is arguing. As long as things stay civil, what is the harm? If we all got along with each other all the time, this forum wouldn't be very interesting IMO. People shouldn't be afraid to share there opinion whether it is agreeable or disagreeable. 

post #6522 of 7178

Yes...we have setups that are different too..

that could explain the different wows we are getting. 

( i had both d2k n d7k as bedpartners for quite awhile, i divorced d2k of cos)

wink.gif

 

Now, coming back to my new USB cable....

when paired with my d7k...ooooooohhhhh..

some aint gonna like my hyperbole. lol

 

 

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http://www.amazon.com/Ralph-Carmichael-Friends-Live/dp/B000ANPTO4

if u like BIGBANDsound, pick up this cd. 


Edited by Lorspeaker - 5/23/13 at 7:23pm
post #6523 of 7178
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

Yes...we have setups that are different too..

that could explain the different wows we are getting. 

( i had both d2k n d7k as bedpartners for quite awhile, i divorced d2k of cos)

wink.gif

Not to mention other often neglected factors affecting diverse opinions on headphones - such as preferred listening levels. For example, I have tinnitus (always have), so I tend to be a bit over-cautious about my listening levels, as I certainly would hate for my tinnitus to get worse. So, for me, my D2000 has very balanced sounding bass. My friend, on the other hand, felt it had too much bass. He listens at louder volumes than I do, so in discussing this difference, we both agreed it was probably one reason for our different opinions on the bass. When I try listening to the D2000 at louder volumes, I can certainly see how it might seem too bassy.

post #6524 of 7178
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post


Now, coming back to my new USB cable....

when paired with my d7k...ooooooohhhhh..

some aint gonna like my hyperbole. lol

 

I used to doubt your USB cable assertions, but I have to admit you are on to something. I reterminated a USB cable with a 115 VAC plug and used it to power my toaster oven. My toast has never brown so uniformly with just a sublime crispness to the crust. I'm a believer now. smile.gif


Edited by palmfish - 5/23/13 at 8:17pm
post #6525 of 7178
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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

Not to mention other often neglected factors affecting diverse opinions on headphones - such as preferred listening levels. For example, I have tinnitus (always have), so I tend to be a bit over-cautious about my listening levels, as I certainly would hate for my tinnitus to get worse. So, for me, my D2000 has very balanced sounding bass. My friend, on the other hand, felt it had too much bass. He listens at louder volumes than I do, so in discussing this difference, we both agreed it was probably one reason for our different opinions on the bass. When I try listening to the D2000 at louder volumes, I can certainly see how it might seem too bassy.

 

it really does make a difference. the louder it gets, the more V shaped the d2000 gets, the bass becomes insane but unfortunately i sold them because as the bass got bigger, the treble also got extremely sharp and fatiguing. 

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