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post #6496 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

 

Could you include some comparison pictures that show the difference between the 2012 and non-2012 models? I have no idea which model D7000 I have.

 

 

I could take pictures, but Tyll has already done this, so for simplicity's sake:

 

Article: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/luscious-denon-ah-d2000-ah-d50000-and-ah-d7000-page-2

Picture in question: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/Denon_AHDx000_photo_differencescloseupbig.jpg

 

The left side shows the old model, the right the 2012 production model. So to find out which you have, you'd just have to remove one of the pads.

 

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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

 

 

Hmmm... Your statement on the D2000 being lusher is interesting. After extensive auditioning of warm lush cans like the hd650 and lcd-2, the d2000s sounded drier for my tastes. But mind you, it was a side-by-side comparison so YMMV. But Tyll at innerfidelity has also mentioned the D5ks have a much lusher and warmer sound, and the d2ks being the driest of the trio. I think you are the first to mention the D2ks are warmer than the D7ks. Btw, I only did a D5k vs D2k. 

 

EDIT: Get it now, it was the pre-2012 model. Tyll was comparing the 2012 Model of the D7ks and D2ks.

 

Hm, sorry to confuse. I think I misused the word lush. It's rather hard to describe the differences between the mids on my D2000 and D7000, but at the same time I think it's important to, as they're quite different.

 

I've since listened to the D7000 more now, and after hearing some female vocalists, I can say the female vocalists certainly sound more lush than on the D2000. Otherwise, I think I know what I meant by the D2000 sounding more lush when I wrote that late last night. So here goes my best attempt at clarification:

 

The D7000 vocals are more forward and have more weight and presence. Now, if those are the qualities that make up a "lush" sound, then there you go - the D7000 is more lush. However, I will yet clarify what I meant by the D7000 sounding dryer. The D7000 vocals are quite a bit clearer, better separated, better defined, and more distinct that the vocals in the D2000. Conversely, the D2000's vocals seem a bit blurrier, less tight, less defined, less separated, and thus more seamlessly integrated with the overall sound image than on the D7000. Because of this, they seem to "mesh" with the looseness of the lows just a touch, which I feel lends to a slightly wet, lush sound in the vocals. This seems more evident with male vocals. With female vocals, I can certainly see the D2000 being described as dry sounding.

 

So...hopefully that didn't make matters more confusing. In short, I think I perceived the looser, less distinct, and less clear vocals of the D2000 as slightly lusher sounding than the D7000.

post #6497 of 7156
My D2000 and D7000 were both newer 2012 models.

The pads were identical. The D2000 cable was thicker. I think thats how it always was.

I dont quite get the "wet" and "dry" thing. I always thought the D2000 sounded a little "warmer" due to the fact that the bass is looser and bleeds into the mids more, adding a bit of a "veil." To my ears, the tighter bass control of the D7000 lessens the "bass bleed" and helps the mids sound "cleaner" and "clearer."

Thats how I hear it anyways...
post #6498 of 7156

It's about the same for me, palmfish.

post #6499 of 7156

Huh, it seems I have the 2012 version. :)

 

I always thought I had the older version since I got it in (late) 2011, but looking at the caps and the bump it's definitely the 2012 version. :)

 

Also, didn't Tyll say that there is no 2012 version for the D2000?


Edited by Taowolf51 - 5/21/13 at 11:57am
post #6500 of 7156
I dont know if Denon ever made changes to the D2000. The changes Tyll noted with the D7000 could simply be parts supplier variation - there's no evidence that an "update" was ever done AFAIK.
post #6501 of 7156

i always felt the d7k was lusher and the d2k wasn't really dry, just that the mids where slightly more recessed and the sound didn't blend as nicely as the d7k, the d2k was grainier and it seems like the transition from the bass/mids/treble just wasn't right, like the coherency wasn't great. thats probably the biggest difference i noticed. the d7k is tighter, has a fuller midrange, and cleaner treble.

post #6502 of 7156

On both my solidstate amps, i find that when i put to high gain,

the d7000 slams tighter n harder.

same for u guys?

 

 


Edited by Lorspeaker - 5/21/13 at 5:39pm
post #6503 of 7156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

On both my solidstate amps, i find that when i put to high gain,

the d7000 slams tighter n harder.

same for u guys?

 

I preferred my D7000's with my M-Stage at 18db gain over 10db.

post #6504 of 7156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

On both my solidstate amps, i find that when i put to high gain,

the d7000 slams tighter n harder.

same for u guys?

 

 

Haven't adjusted any gains with my vintage iron over this way. But when I pushed the Denon AH-D7000 using my Pioneer SX-D7000, the cups biggrin.gifwere really moving air. Still waiting to see what the Denon AH-D7000/Sansui G-22000 pairing will very_evil_smiley.gifbring... wait, we got too many "D7000" tags going on!


Edited by Silent One - 5/21/13 at 9:08pm
post #6505 of 7156

Guys just wondering, I have some cable problem. It gets twisted inside and I don't know how to fix this, it's the thin cable. Is there any good solution? Not quite sure where to ask this.

post #6506 of 7156

After spending some more time with the D7000 and comparing it to the D2000, there's no comparison. The vocal clarity is much greater in the D7000. The bass is even more robust, impactful, and delicious. Highs are great - sparkly, but rarely sibilant. This headphone is utterly engaging and enjoyable, and I find it makes any recording, regardless of quality, sound really fun! It's the highest quality "fun" headphone I've ever heard, bar-none.

post #6507 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Rei7 View Post

Guys just wondering, I have some cable problem. It gets twisted inside and I don't know how to fix this, it's the thin cable. Is there any good solution? Not quite sure where to ask this.

The plug must have run thru the "Y" of the cable a few times....as u coiled n uncoiled ?
Try reversing by passing the plug thru the Y again.
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post #6508 of 7156

Fortunately, my D7000 does not have a "Y" connector. The 4 conductors run straight from cup-to-adapter (xlr). 

post #6509 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

After spending some more time with the D7000 and comparing it to the D2000, there's no comparison. The vocal clarity is much greater in the D7000. The bass is even more robust, impactful, and delicious. Highs are great - sparkly, but rarely sibilant. This headphone is utterly engaging and enjoyable, and I find it makes any recording, regardless of quality, sound really fun! It's the highest quality "fun" headphone I've ever heard, bar-none.

I understand what you mean by lushness in your previous post. By the way, there was a typo, I didn't exactly compare them (d2k and d5k) but after hearing supposedly "lush" cans like the hd650 and LCD-2, the d2ks felt dry maybe because of the recessed mids?

I have yet tried the d7ks but I believe it would have been perfectly plausible if they were to have clearer vocals than the d2ks.

I like the d5ks a lot, especially for the bass, but the deal breaker was its muffled sound and slightly fatiguing highs compared to the hd650. I gotta say they were pretty spacious for a closed can and has a loos-ish but
enjoyable bass response.

I heard that the d7ks are essentially almost the same as the d5ks in terms of signature and the brightness of the d5ks was a no-no, thus since I'm only able to blind buy the d7ks,
I think I may be letting the idea of getting them go.
post #6510 of 7156
IME, the differences between the 2000, 5000, and 7000 are really very subtle. I had to really concentrate and A/B numerous times before I was able to hear it. The 2000 really is where the law of diminishing returns gets steep.
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