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post #6316 of 7185

I'm truly terrible at comparisons like this but I'll try.

 

HD-650 is a great sounding HP. Clear, accurate, nice bass and clear mids crisp natural highs (to me not veiled at all, I think this is source/dac/amp related) but not sharp, fatiguing or harsh in any way, you can listen to them for hours easily. They sound 'good' and I thought for the price were a great all rounder. They really are.

 

Then I tried the D7000's for the first time today. Instantly I was smiling, nodding my head and really loving the music. They're more exciting and engaging, gorgeous liquid mids, crisp highs and more detail in the upper mid/treble region that the 650's - not as bright as the 650's though, for example the sizzle on high hats is more prominent on the 650's than the D7000's to my ear. On the denons there is no sibilance, kick, toms, snare, cymbals, female vocals, guitars etc sound very accurate to my ear (I play music so I know what instruments sound like to me live). There's a weight and warmth the denons have the 650's don't but I wouldn't call them coloured. I can't handle Audiotechnias for that reason and these are nothing like the 3000ANV's for example.

 

650's - how studio monitors sound (accurate, somewhat clinical)

D7000 - how I EQ my guitar amp and how well engineered gigs sound (fun, enjoyable)

 

Really just a nice overall sound to me, and the level of comfort for me is far better than the 650's. I do want to persue the MarkL mod to reduce the bass flabbiness though, to tighten it up a little, I think that'd be beneficial. Some bass sounds are just too prominent for my liking.


Edited by phonyx - 4/4/13 at 5:21am
post #6317 of 7185

u felt that the rolled off hd 650s have more highs than the u shaped denons? confused_face_2.gif

 

the MarkL mod will make the denons brighter and tighten the bass btw, but the denons still are bass monsters compared to the hd 650s more balanced bass.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 4/4/13 at 5:56am
post #6318 of 7185
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

u felt that the rolled off hd 650s have more highs than the u shaped denons? confused_face_2.gif
Yea, that caught my attention, too.
post #6319 of 7185

Yeah if I listen to a given track with clear high hat, the 650's absolutely have more sizzle, around the 7-9K region. Maybe it's something to do with my amp, but the 650's have never sounded veiled or rolled off. They have crisp clear highs. The sound from them sounds more compressed, middle is accentuated and muddies up the low end of the treble a little, bass extension is much less than the denons but the denons just sound more open and natural to me. Maybe it's my gear, maybe there's something wrong with my brain confused.gif


Edited by phonyx - 4/4/13 at 6:43am
post #6320 of 7185

I agree that the Denons will sound more open and natural than the 650's, but that is (mostly) due to their upper mid and high end extension.
And yes, the D7k also has greater bass extension and punch.

I really liked my 650's, but found the roll-off of the highs hid too much detail.

 

As for Dubstep's Lawton statement... My Lawtons tightened the bass on my D5k's, but the highs and mids were turned to nasal plastic (over-emphasized the mids/upper mids). The mod ruined nearly everything I loved about the D5k, but it did improve the bass flab and bloat.

post #6321 of 7185
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

I agree that the Denons will sound more open and natural than the 650's, but that is (mostly) due to their upper mid and high end extension.
And yes, the D7k also has greater bass extension and punch.

I really liked my 650's, but found the roll-off of the highs hid too much detail.

 

As for Dubstep's Lawton statement... My Lawtons tightened the bass on my D5k's, but the highs and mids were turned to nasal plastic (over-emphasized the mids/upper mids). The mod ruined nearly everything I loved about the D5k, but it did improve the bass flab and bloat.

 

Just curious, but did you do the pad mods?

I noticed that the dynamat parts of the mod didn't really affect the highs, but the earpad mods ruined them.

post #6322 of 7185
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Just curious, but did you do the pad mods?

I noticed that the dynamat parts of the mod didn't really affect the highs, but the earpad mods ruined them.

 

Yep. It was the 'Lite' mod done by Lawton. Cups, pads, etc...

post #6323 of 7185
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Yep. It was the 'Lite' mod done by Lawton. Cups, pads, etc...

 

That may be why. In my experience (some people agree with me, others do not), the earpad mods made the highs very sharp, very sibilant, and very painful. The dynamat mods didn't change the highs for me at all.

post #6324 of 7185

I agree... kind of.

It was the upper mids, which were greatly exaggerated, that caused the discomfort for me. Highs didn't seem to change (that I can remember).

It went from a moderate 'U' shaped curve to an upside-down 'U', with the upper mids so forward and nasaly that it was painful. Nothing sounded right (except the bass, that became controlled).

 

So... whatever it was... they are gone. Got the D7k, and have been more than happy ever since. Great synergy with my DAC's.

post #6325 of 7185
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

I agree... kind of.

It was the upper mids, which were greatly exaggerated, that caused the discomfort for me. Highs didn't seem to change (that I can remember).

It went from a moderate 'U' shaped curve to an upside-down 'U', with the upper mids so forward and nasaly that it was painful. Nothing sounded right (except the bass, that became controlled).

 

So... whatever it was... they are gone. Got the D7k, and have been more than happy ever since. Great synergy with my DAC's.

 

My apologies, I misread "upper mids". That's interesting, though, I haven't run into a problem with the upper mids (though I do find a spike in the upper mids with my ESP-950's).

post #6326 of 7185

Do these change a lot with burn in? After putting about 7 hours on them the bass seems more controlled and they seemed to have opened up a little....not sure if I'm imagining things or not.

post #6327 of 7185
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Originally Posted by phonyx View Post

Do these change a lot with burn in? After putting about 7 hours on them the bass seems more controlled and they seemed to have opened up a little....not sure if I'm imagining things or not.

From what I heard, they require tons of burn in! Nice comparison by the way, so is the d7k worth twice the price of the hd650?
Edited by myap2328 - 4/4/13 at 4:04pm
post #6328 of 7185

Personally, yes. I paid under 1K for the Denons on clearance so I was happy with the price, but no HP has ever made me immediately smile and get right into the music like these do, and being so comfortable for me too, they are for me personally far better than the HD650's.

 

It's easy to be so into the gear you forget you bought all this stuff to enjoy music. The Denons make me forget about my amp/dac/cables and just enjoy the tunes which to me was a sobering and very enjoyable experience.  Maybe this is why people call them 'fun' I don't know, but I certainly enjoy them a lot. If they really do need some burn in it'll be good to hear them with more than the 7 hours I've got on them so far.

post #6329 of 7185
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Originally Posted by phonyx View Post

Personally, yes. I paid under 1K for the Denons on clearance so I was happy with the price, but no HP has ever made me immediately smile and get right into the music like these do, and being so comfortable for me too, they are for me personally far better than the HD650's.

It's easy to be so into the gear you forget you bought all this stuff to enjoy music. The Denons make me forget about my amp/dac/cables and just enjoy the tunes which to me was a sobering and very enjoyable experience.  Maybe this is why people call them 'fun' I don't know, but I certainly enjoy them a lot. If they really do need some burn in it'll be good to hear them with more than the 7 hours I've got on them so far.

Have you heard the LCD-2?
post #6330 of 7185

Breifly awhile ago, and not with my source material.

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