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post #6271 of 7143
Ironically, THIS looks like the D7000 sounds to me more than not, though with a steeper roll off from sub bass to mid bass...



I wonder why it was shown on the TH-900's graph but not on the D7000's?
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/25/13 at 10:47am
post #6272 of 7143

Don't forget the low bass distortion on the Denons.  The distortion plays a big role in the frequency response perceived by us, but the FR alone won't give that.  

post #6273 of 7143
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Oh, I would LOVE to get my hands on the D7000, but I wouldn't wanna trade my LCD2 for it. You could say, they both a have their place for me, if I could afford both of them. For now, I have a need for the LCD2 a little more, even if the D7000 is still my #1. My particular LCD2 is rich in everything, really. Deep bass, hard hitting, good mids, and nice sparkle in the treble. It's very flat in it's response. It doesn't quite grip me the way the D7000 does for my EDM, but the mids and overall tone is more technically accurate and engaging for everything else, while still being damn good for EDM.

You could say I'll aim straight for the TH-900 in the future, which will make the D7000 obsolete, and perhaps even the LCD2. I wish I could audition it. If it was as good as I think it was, I'd probably put my LCD2 up for sale, and call it quits.

 

Well I do agree that the LCD-2 are a little more well-rounded and can perhaps do more genres accurately. I have said before that the D7000 can only do electronica and suck at real instruments, but then I'll read something to counter my impressions in saying that the cello sounds unbelievably accurate on the Denons. I suppose when it comes to instrumental music (be it classical or more often than not a mix of acoustic and folk) I prefer a much more delicate approach. I find the D7000 bass to be above neutral, thus bass is sometimes (nothing like the D2/5K) creeping in, but this isn't too bad. What I really miss for instrumental is separation and soundstage, neither of which are traits of the D7000, or really any closed headphone for that matter.

 

I'm not sure what to think about the TH-900, I suppose I would have to hear it for myself. From reading it seems the TH-900 followed the same path of the Denons where the D7000 had the least muddiest bass the TH-900 has even less. However, I wonder if it's got a point where it's almost too polite and approaching reference/neutral. If so an open phone would do a much better job of reference. Out of interest has anyone compared the TH-900 with a Sony CD3000? Also if you think about Fostex plans; to release a $2000 headphone they know they're aiming at the audiophile market and as such want as close to neutral as possible.

 

Again I haven't heard it but I would think the D7000 would do a better job with electronica, but the truth is in listening too it.

post #6274 of 7143
I think the TH-900 would fall somewhere between the LCD2 and D7000 in terms of tonal balance, which would be a WONDERFUL thing really.

My friend chicolom got to audition the D7000 and TH-900 at a meet, and basically said the bass gave him the same chills.

That TH-900 graph doesn't paint a 'polite' bass response, so I wouldn't be worried.

I don't think all ultra-expensive headphones need to be as close to neutral as possible. That would bring quite an oversaturation of high ends with a neutral response. Fostex is known for it's bassy Denons, and I don't think the TH900 changed that. Just refined it.

I've seen people ask for the TH-600 to be more neutral than the TH-900 prior to it's release, so I'm doubtful the TH-900 is like the others. Besides, the D7000 competed in price with the neutral flagships of it's time, and it wasn't neutral itself.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/25/13 at 10:55am
post #6275 of 7143
Just to let you guys who are confused know. I realized why there are a few who mentioned the d7ks midbass is polite and others who mentioned its kinda prominent. Well, according to innerfidelity there are two batches of denons. Just talking about the d7k, the more recent batch said by him, sounds slight more neutral and tighter. If you compare the measurements of the earlier d7ks and more recent d7ks, te earlier one had midbass at the same level as te mids while the more recent had sub bass and midbass both 5db above the mids. I am now hoping that the stock that my local store have left is the more recent one, I nid my midbass!

And yup, the salesperson told me that if I wanted a compromise between bass (d7k?) and clarity (LCD-2?) the TH-900 is the answer and I believe so but my wallet does not permit me to do so...... Maybe next time.
post #6276 of 7143

Clarity is not a word I would use to describe the LCD-2. Buttery, liquidy, smooth, refined, powerful, warm, intimate are words I would use.

post #6277 of 7143

And still clear.

post #6278 of 7143

I listen to a lot of jazz that has quiet little bells and wire brush strokes and cymbal taps carrying the rhythm. On the LCD-2 these sounds are often very difficult to impossible for me to hear.

 

That means 'not clear' in my book. YMMV of course... smile.gif

post #6279 of 7143
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Don't forget the low bass distortion on the Denons.  The distortion plays a big role in the frequency response perceived by us, but the FR alone won't give that.  

Bingo!

 

Listening to the TH-900s now and had the D7000s sounded like this, I would have never sold them off. Think a "perfected" D7000. Thunderous bass when called for by the recording, but tight with very little to no distortion all the way down. Mids are less recessed and the treble isn't overly etched. Throw in fantastic sound staging (like the best I've heard from closed headphones) and a quicker / more responsive driver (think "tighter" waterfall without the lower treble ringing).

post #6280 of 7143

Sounds like you're describing a "closed HD800."

post #6281 of 7143
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Sounds like you're describing a "closed HD800."

In terms of quickness and low distortion, yessiree. But the bass impact is definitely Fostex (like the D7000s which are also Fostex made) and they are more "fun" sounding than neutral IMO.  As well, the imaging of the HD800s is still more expansive by a good margin.

post #6282 of 7143
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

In terms of quickness and low distortion, yessiree. But the bass impact is definitely Fostex (like the D7000s which are also Fostex made) and they are more "fun" sounding than neutral IMO.  As well, the imaging of the HD800s is still more expansive by a good margin.

 

At this point.  I'm enjoying the W3000anvs more that the TH-900s.   I have to give the TH-900s more time I guess.

post #6283 of 7143
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

At this point.  I'm enjoying the W3000anvs more that the TH-900s.   I have to give the TH-900s more time I guess.

Both are fantastic, no doubt. But I still prefer the TH-900s by a small margin. You should definitely give them more time on your GS-X (a magical pairing IMO). It's really too bad that the D7100s were such a cluster you-know-what. Denon had a real opportunity to come out with a successor to the D7000s that could compete. Sadly, they don't compete with the D2000s (let alone the D7000s).

post #6284 of 7143
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I think the TH-900 would fall somewhere between the LCD2 and D7000 in terms of tonal balance, which would be a WONDERFUL thing really.
 

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post #6285 of 7143

I've got to say I'm really torn about keeping or selling my D7000's. I'm pretty much in love with my HD800's and I don't think I'll listen to my Denon's very often now, but there's just something about them - the wood, the bass, the unobtainability. I'm being sentimental I know, but I'm afraid if I sell them I'll regret it later (like a number of others here have mentioned). It's the first headphone that I really fell in love with and hung onto for more than a few weeks (I've had them over a year!).

 

Really struggling with this decision...

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