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post #6226 of 7156
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

I am a little concerned about sparkly highs. Because I'm quite sensitive. I find the d5k's highs fatiguing. Is the d7k brighter or darker? Subbass legendary huh? How about some midbass action?

If you don't like the D5000 highs, then you won't like the D7000 either.

 

Moving to the D7K from the D5K is sorta like pulling a sock out of your ear. They sound basically the same to me, only the D7K is a little clearer sounding overall and tighter in the mid bass. But don't misunderstand, the difference is subtle - things tend to get overblown for the sake of description.

 

Based on what you've been saying, I actually think the D2000 would be a good choice for you.


Edited by palmfish - 3/24/13 at 8:47am
post #6227 of 7156
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

I am a little concerned about sparkly highs. Because I'm quite sensitive. I find the d5k's highs fatiguing. Is the d7k brighter or darker? Subbass legendary huh? How about some midbass action?


Aftermarket pads (like Lawton Angle Pads) slightly reduce the highs on the D7k's, so read up on that as an option. I didn't A/B the stock vs Angle Pads because switching back and forth was a hassle, but it seemed like these pads tamed the highs a bit. I never found the stock D7K too bright or fatiguing at all, so changes with the highs (if at all) weren't as noticeable to me as impressions I read from others.

 

At the very least, the Angle's greatly increase soundstage, and make a comfortable set of cans even more comfortable.

post #6228 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Bee inthe Attic View Post


Aftermarket pads (like Lawton Angle Pads) slightly reduce the highs on the D7k's, so read up on that as an option. I didn't A/B the stock vs Angle Pads because switching back and forth was a hassle, but it seemed like these pads tamed the highs a bit. I never found the stock D7K too bright or fatiguing at all, so changes with the highs (if at all) weren't as noticeable to me as impressions I read from others.

 

At the very least, the Angle's greatly increase soundstage, and make a comfortable set of cans even more comfortable.


Just the opposite actually. The angle pads increase the brightness. I personally cannot listen to the D7000 with them installed.

post #6229 of 7156
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


Just the opposite actually. The angle pads increase the brightness. I personally cannot listen to the D7000 with them installed.

 

I suppose YMMV, but most impressions that I've read on here suggest that the Angle Pads slightly reduce the treble energy of the D7K's (due largely to increased distance from driver to ear, and the change in damping from vinyl to leather).

 

If I can find some time to dig my stock pads out of storage, I'll give them a proper A/B test. Stock pad on the left cup and Angle pad on the right cup (and then switching) seems like a good way to test this out.

post #6230 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

d7k has less sub-bass vs the d5k as far as i know, haven't heard the d5k though.

 

the hd 650 has much less midbass than both, but its still pretty good, though more neutralish.

 

Wait... say what?! I'm blink.gif a bit confused by that statement. Took a hot second but, I think I know redface.gif what you meant (based on what you heard/read about the two cans, but have not verified). My personal experience is completely flipped! Having owned the D5000 to 1,926 hours, and the D7000 to 1,809 hours (poor HD650 is only at 36 hrs rolleyes.gif), to me the 5k has more Bass (overall) but the 7k has more Sub-bass between the two. Enough to make the D5000 move tongue_smile.gif over.


Edited by Silent One - 3/24/13 at 1:09pm
post #6231 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

memory. i guess experience would be a better word since ive compared the bass on them lots of times.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The D7000 is my absolute fave headphone and I've owned two. I'm well acquainted with it's sound, and it's easy to remember that it was all sub bass, not mid bass. I do have the LCD2 on hand, and it's mid bass hits like a mack truck when needed. Not something I ever got from the D7000, which was all that low growl and rumble.

That's as far as it goes in the bass comparison.

I prefer the midrange on the LCD2, and the Denon's treble. However, I currently have a vegan LCD2, which is a bit sparkly up top as well, compared to the leather LCD2. I'm getting into smooth treble, so I'm exchanging it for the leather.

If you're more in tune with the D7000's sound, it's worth checking the vegan/leather-free LCD2, which isn't as thick and intimate as the leather LCD2. It's more spacious, airier, and energetic in the treble. The downside is that the mids aren't as milky. Bass is comparable.

Worth noting that the LCD2 has fantastic sub bass, it just doesn't command the sound the same way the D7000's sub bass does. It's more integrated.

 

 

Well I thought as much, sonic memory is a terrible thing.
 
I have a somewhat love-hate relationship with the D7000s, in fact they've spent half there life boxed up. I'm usually the one slamming Denon, moreso with the D2000 and worse the D5000. I've complained that the D7000 can't do real instruments and that's how they found themselves boxed up with intent to sell. A few months went by before listening to them again; I pulled out the boxed Denons to take pictures before placing them for sale, another quick listen, and I'm hooked. The sound is so liquid in comparison to my other headphones, they flow effortlessly with zero fatigue. These headphones change my listening habits; electronica comes alive, extension with accuracy, the weight of the notes is what wows me every time.
 
The LCD-2 and similar priced orthos are the better headphone for a do-it-all headphone, I used to fall into the category of wanting one headphone to do it all.
 
The D7000 has less mid-bass in comparison to both the D2000 and D5000, therefor you could also say, the D7000 has no mid-bass hump which has always plagued the majority of headphones. The LCD-2, while I haven't heard this vegan version, does indeed have a fuller mid-range, this killed the dynamics and came across as muddy. A lot of electronic music isn't recorded all the well, especially when you consider their target of clubs and such laden with bass-heavy speakers. A cleaner mid-range goes a long way here.
 
This is why I think the D7000s shine over it's siblings, perhaps giving the sub-bass clear room to breath it almost sounds separate. This is in part what makes them so much fun to listen to. I also don't like to see the D5000 compared with the D7000 where only the bass is topic of conversation. I would say the D7000s are like a very refined D5000, but even then refinement is drastically overlooked.
 
I do enjoy a faster, neutral headphone like a Sony SA, DT880, HD800 but 9 times out of 10 sub-bass rules in any electronic genre. I have to say the D7000 is the best I've heard for the genres I use them with, specifically house and progressive. Turning people away from the D7000 because they lack a mid-bass hump is in my opinion a mistake, I can't see any owner of the D7000s disliking them for bass-heavy genres.
 
Mad Lust Envy, I saw you were trading your LCD2 for a D7000 ~ you know I'm right. smile.gif
post #6232 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

Wait... say what?! I'm blink.gif a bit confused by that statement. Took a hot second but, I think I know redface.gif what you meant (based on what you heard/read about the two cans, but have not verified). My personal experience is completely flipped! Having owned the D5000 to 1,926 hours, and the D7000 to 1,809 hours (poor HD650 is only at 36 hrs rolleyes.gif), to me the 5k has more Bass (overall) but the 7k has more Sub-bass between the two. Enough to make the D5000 move tongue_smile.gif over.

 

Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about... Dubstep Girl doesn't currently own The D7000 and when he/she did I believe they were not even the originals. There is a lot of misinformation floating around, not sure how it all got started?

 

The D7000 has more sub-bass compared to the D5000, while the D5000 have more mid-bass compared with the D7000.

post #6233 of 7156

Speaking of mid-bass, while enjoying the the LCD-2 for a couple of months along side the D7000, the Audez'e had its moments and they were wonderful. But I kept getting tripped by the mid-bass, which actually interfered with the gorgeous Bass and Mid-range vocals. And the top end kept me wanting, delivering almost enough and would leave me hangin'... "Any more Treble coming this way?"

 

I've heard several cans shine inside the listening room, my own room and others'. However, I find that the D7000 is more tolerable outside of its strengths with a wide variety of genres. Other headphones, once you step away from their strengths and uh-oh! eek.gif

 

Also, when I hear Cello on the D7000, all calls are going to voice-mail. wink.gif

post #6234 of 7156

^^ yes ! my absolute favourite thing about these cans is how the cello sounds through them

post #6235 of 7156
Amazon has the TH-900 up for less than $2000 (still in Japan). I'm SOOOOO tempted, but I'd have to unload a few things to get them. Considering the D7000 is my fave can, I think I need to consider this as a headphone that will make me quit Head-fi.
post #6236 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Amazon has the TH-900 up for less than $2000 (still in Japan). I'm SOOOOO tempted, but I'd have to unload a few things to get them. Considering the D7000 is my fave can, I think I need to consider this as a headphone that will make me quit Head-fi.

 

If you like the D7000, you will love the TH-900s.

 

You can get them for cheaper through Pricejapan without issue and it's practically the same thing as ordering it through those 3rd party vendors on Amazon.  I'd go PJ if I was going to go that route.

post #6237 of 7156
I could only afford going through Amazon due to having their store card. And only if I sold off something like the LCD2, which I don't wanna do. Lol.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/24/13 at 3:04pm
post #6238 of 7156

You're not quitting head-fi.  The fact that you were even considering getting the Philips X1 in place of the LCD2 leaves all options open.  I bet you'll eventually make your way up to an SR-007.

post #6239 of 7156
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I could only afford going through Amazon due to having their store card.

 

Gotcha.  Go for it. :) 

post #6240 of 7156
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

You're not quitting head-fi.  The fact that you were even considering getting the Philips X1 in place of the LCD2 leaves all options open.  I bet you'll eventually make your way up to an SR-007.

Uhh, I was wanting the X1 as an ALTERNATIVE, not a replacement.

The only reason I'm looking at the TH-900 is because it's known as the best closed headphone out, and the truest upgrade from my beloved D7000. Two birds with one stone. If I had kept the D7000... I WOULD have been gone from head-fi. It may not look it, but I did leave head-fi for a few months last year, when I had them.
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