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I got my D7000's back from Mark Lawton.

 

My first impression was that they were significantly changed, just not necessarily for the better. Mid-bass impact is tighter, but the lower bass bloom was still too much, causing it to dominate the rest of the freq band and muddy the mids ever so slightly. The treble also seems a bit hyped so that it was a little steely. The mids are more forward, which many people seem to like, but I think vocals sound a bit more nasal. These all conspire to make the freq response sound a little wonky (technical term). For example, on music with particularly punchy percussion, drums sound punchier than before, but with an accompanying “huffiness.” On vocal jazz for example, voices sound a little “honky” to my ears. High hats, cymbals, wire brushes, etc. have a slightly steely edginess to them.

 

But I remember my experiments with the stock pads and recalled how the seal and air gap really changed the sound for me, so I removed the (very nice) Mark Lawton pads and put the stock pads back on. Suddenly, I'm in heaven! The headphone sounds exactly as it did before, only with the sub bass damped to the point that it is present, but more in the background and on par with the rest of the freq band. Bass impact is slightly tighter, mids are smooth and not too forward, but not at all recessed, and treble has shimmer and sparkle without any steeliness. This is the way I always wished my D7000's sounded and how I imagine the Fostex TH900 might sound (I’ve never heard it).

 

Mark is a class act. Communication was excellent, his handling was gentle, and shipping was speedy. I highly recommend him to anyone thinking of dampening their D7000's. I originally bought my D7000's because I thought they would be a punchier, cleaner, more fun sounding HD600. Now thanks to Mark, I can finally say that they truly are.


Edited by palmfish - 9/20/12 at 10:54am
post #5628 of 7185
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I got my D7000's back from Mark Lawton.

 

My first impression was that they were significantly changed, just not necessarily for the better. Mid-bass impact is tighter, but the lower bass bloom was still too much, causing it to dominate the rest of the freq band and muddy the mids ever so slightly. The treble also seems a bit hyped so that it was a little steely. The mids are more forward, which many people seem to like, but I think vocals sound a bit more nasal. These all conspire to make the freq response sound a little wonky (technical term). For example, on music with particularly punchy percussion, drums sound punchier than before, but with an accompanying “huffiness.” On vocal jazz for example, voices sound a little “honky” to my ears. High hats, cymbals, wire brushes, etc. have a slightly steely edginess to them.

 

But I remember my experiments with the stock pads and recalled how the seal and air gap really changed the sound for me, so I removed the (very nice) Mark Lawton pads and put the stock pads back on. Suddenly, I'm in heaven! The headphone sounds exactly as it did before, only with the sub bass damped to the point that it is present, but more in the background and on par with the rest of the freq band. Bass impact is slightly tighter, mids are smooth and not too forward, but not at all recessed, and treble has shimmer and sparkle without any steeliness. This is the way I always wished my D7000's sounded and how I imagine the Fostex TH900 might sound (I’ve never heard it).

 

Mark is a class act. Communication was excellent, his handling was gentle, and shipping was speedy. I highly recommend him to anyone thinking of dampening their D7000's. I originally bought my D7000's because I thought they would be a punchier, cleaner, more fun sounding HD600. Now thanks to Mark, I can finally say that they truly are.

So you paid for dampening mod and pads but don't like the sound with new pads same like Tyll who said they sound harsh at times? Can you choose the mod without pads?

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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post


So you paid for dampening mod and pads but don't like the sound with new pads same like Tyll who said they sound harsh at times? Can you choose the mod without pads?
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I suppose you could, though I don't know for sure. I would get in touch with Mark and ask him.

 

EDIT: Yes, you can order the "original Lawton tuning" without the pads for $99 + shipping.

 

I didn't know Tyll reviewed the Lawton Audio D7000's. Can you post a link? I'd like to read it.


Edited by palmfish - 9/20/12 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I got my D7000's back from Mark Lawton.

 

My first impression was that they were significantly changed, just not necessarily for the better. Mid-bass impact is tighter, but the lower bass bloom was still too much, causing it to dominate the rest of the freq band and muddy the mids ever so slightly. The treble also seems a bit hyped so that it was a little steely. The mids are more forward, which many people seem to like, but I think vocals sound a bit more nasal. These all conspire to make the freq response sound a little wonky (technical term). For example, on music with particularly punchy percussion, drums sound punchier than before, but with an accompanying “huffiness.” On vocal jazz for example, voices sound a little “honky” to my ears. High hats, cymbals, wire brushes, etc. have a slightly steely edginess to them.

 

But I remember my experiments with the stock pads and recalled how the seal and air gap really changed the sound for me, so I removed the (very nice) Mark Lawton pads and put the stock pads back on. Suddenly, I'm in heaven! The headphone sounds exactly as it did before, only with the sub bass damped to the point that it is present, but more in the background and on par with the rest of the freq band. Bass impact is slightly tighter, mids are smooth and not too forward, but not at all recessed, and treble has shimmer and sparkle without any steeliness. This is the way I always wished my D7000's sounded and how I imagine the Fostex TH900 might sound (I’ve never heard it).

 

Mark is a class act. Communication was excellent, his handling was gentle, and shipping was speedy. I highly recommend him to anyone thinking of dampening their D7000's. I originally bought my D7000's because I thought they would be a punchier, cleaner, more fun sounding HD600. Now thanks to Mark, I can finally say that they truly are.

 

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I did the Lawton mod and stuffed the earpads (the part of the mod that his new pads replicate), but I couldn't handle the harsh highs. After removing the stuffing, the highs tamed up (and I did another quick mod to tame them a bit more), and they're great now. Very sparkly, very detailed, but not too harsh. I always thought I did the mod wrong somehow, but I guess I'm just sensitive to highs.

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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

 

I'm suppose you could, though I don't know for sure. I would get in touch with Mark and ask him.

 

EDIT: Yes, you can order the "original Lawton tuning" without the pads for $99 + shipping.

 

I didn't know Tyll reviewed the Lawton Audio D7000's. Can you post a link? I'd like to read it.


At the recent NYC meet in June I met Tyll so me and another member asked if he tried stock D7000 with Lawton so he answered YES but he didn't like it

I will definitely contact Mark and ask if can send him my headphones to do just dampening mod or maybe even recable 

post #5632 of 7185
Pads definitely make a difference with the D7000, just like with Grado RS-1 where you can make big changes in sound with small changes in pads. My LA7000 with bubinga wood cups, Jenna Labs cable, LA dampening, and JMoney pads are sublime.
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

 

the highs tamed up (and I did another quick mod to tame them a bit more)

 

I think the highs are very good (not harsh or edgy), but still a little on the bright side. I would like to attenuate them just a smidge and am thinking of adding a second layer of "transparent acoustic cloth" in front of the driver. Is that what you did?


Edited by palmfish - 9/20/12 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

 

I think the highs are very good (not harsh or edgy), but still a little on the bright side. I would like to attenuate them just a smidge and am thinking of adding a second layer of "transparent acoustic cloth" in front of the driver. Is that what you did?

 

I used earpad foam, two layers:

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Thanks.

 

Did you find them on eBay? What size? Did you trim the lip off so that each pad is only 1 layer?

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Amazon, these specifically are the ones I got:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003BRNZTM/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00

 

I trimmed it so it was one layer and it fit inside the foam ring surrounding the driver exit. I used two layers per side, but I'd try one first.

post #5637 of 7185
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

Amazon, these specifically are the ones I got:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003BRNZTM/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00


I trimmed it so it was one layer and it fit inside the foam ring surrounding the driver exit. I used two layers per side, but I'd try one first.

Perfect. Thanks!
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By the way, I asked Mark if he would let me return the pads, but since they are technically "used," he cannot take them back. If anyone is interested in a like new pair of angle pads, I'll be posting mine for sale in the head-fi classifieds...

post #5639 of 7185

Follow up.

 

tried out the angle pads again today and have decided that I need to spend more time with them before passing final judgement. Today, they didn't sound as bass thick as I first thought and the mids sounded better than stock - more forward but without any "honkiness." Treble is definitely brighter than stock and remains too bright, but the cloth sheet on the angle pads is thinner than on the stock pads so I think there is less treble attenuation with them for this reason. I have some foam earpads on order and I plan on adding a layer to the cloth to see if it will tame the treble a little.

 

This is a fun and frustrating hobby, but if I have learned anything so far, it's that the D7000 is close to the finest headphones I have ever heard, and they are very close to what I consider my "ideal" headphone (if such a thing even exists).

post #5640 of 7185

Tried sealing the "acoustic optimizer" ring and the earpad ring with masking tape today (D5000) as I couldn't find anyone else who tried it. Bass killer, but slightly better isolation! Seriously the bass couldn't breathe so there wasn't as much movement, guess that is the power of semi-open.

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