Denon AH-D7000 - Page 371

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Originally Posted by RushNerd 

So would it be fair to say you feel the mod introduced no sibilance and kept the bass quantity(this is important because it seemed to me it would rob you of some low end.) 

 

I have considered doing the mod several times to my 2k's and now thinking about ordering the kit for my 5k's. The last thing I would want to do is finish modding to realise it brought the low-end to "normal" headphone levels or rob it of impact which I didn't buy the Denon for. Thanks for the info!

I have been convinced for some time that the bass and midrange bloat isn't caused by resonance INSIDE the headphones, but the air cavity between the headphones and the ears. You can experiment by simply ever so slightly pulling the rear of the earpad away from your head while listening to music, thus breaking the seal. The more you lift, the thinner the bass gets. Ultimately, I did a simple mod to more permanently evaluate this sound. I'm not saying that the MarkL mods sound just like this, but this simple and temporary mod does reduce the bloat and clear the midrange, at the expense of adding a little sibilance. A description that's typical of MarkL modders here.

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Originally Posted by olegausany 

I like them most with classical, jazz, acoustical.

A resounding YES.

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Originally Posted by N0sferatu 

I don't surf this forum much (just more or less keep track of a few threads) but I just saw the replacement to our D7000 the D7100...wow ugly lol.

 

The D7000 looks elegant (and has a cooler numbering scheme IMO).  Anyways, for those who haven't seen them...

 

Anyone learn of someone trying the new pads on the D7000 from the D7100?

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Originally Posted by Silent One 

 

Anyone learn of someone trying the new pads on the D7000 from the D7100?

As much as I know no. There is separate thread for the new Denon cans by the way

The D7000s are my favorite pair of headphones this far (I even own a backup pair, lol). Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to get a pair of Fostex TH900 one day, and that those will triumph the D7000s.

Also, I have owned LCD-2 rev.2, which I replaced by a pair of rev.1s because they're known to be a little bit warmer. Both models are great (I found them to be pretty much identical actually). The LCD2s are more detailed and has more space and air, but their base impact is not as powerful as on the D7000s. The comfort of the D7000s wins hands down though, there is just no discussion. My conclusion is that both LCD-2 and D7000 are worth owning.
 

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Originally Posted by Norway 

The D7000s are my favorite pair of headphones this far (I even own a backup pair, lol). Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to get a pair of Fostex TH900 one day, and that those will triumph the D7000s.

 

Also, I have owned LCD-2 rev.2, which I replaced by a pair of rev.1s because they're known to be a little bit warmer. Both models are great (I found them to be pretty much identical actually). The LCD2s are more detailed and has more space and air, but their base impact is not as powerful as on the D7000s. The comfort of the D7000s wins hands down though, there is just no discussion. My conclusion is that both LCD-2 and D7000 are worth owning.
 

This is shocking reading how the lcd2 v2 seemingly had most bass people have heard. You really think your d7k is on par with it in the low end? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by RushNerd 

This is shocking reading how the lcd2 v2 seemingly had most bass people have heard. You really think your d7k is on par with it in the low end? Just curious.

The D7000 thumps more, but doesn't go as deep nor is it anywhere as controlled as the LCD-2 (r1/r2).

BTW, looks like the D7100 measurements are up on innerfidelity.....and ugh :

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7100.pdf

Some major steps back from the D7000:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7000B2012.pdf

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Originally Posted by RushNerd 

This is shocking reading how the lcd2 v2 seemingly had most bass people have heard. You really think your d7k is on par with it in the low end? Just curious.

No, it's not shocking, and what I meant is exactly what MacedonianHero says in the quote below. They have more thump, and this may be due to the fact that they're half open cans, whereas the LCD-2s are open. That should create more pressure in the chamber. The LCD-2s goes lower indeed.

What I found to be shocking was that the LCD-2 rev. 1s and 2s sounded identical to me. However, there was a week from when I shipped the rev.2s until I received the rev.1s, so I were not able to A/B-test them. However, if there were a difference that difference was to small for me to be able to differentiate between them. That's not a problem for me to do with other cans I have owned though, but then the differences are more prominent.

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero 

The D7000 thumps more, but doesn't go as deep nor is it anywhere as controlled as the LCD-2 (r1/r2).

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero 

The D7000 thumps more, but doesn't go as deep nor is it anywhere as controlled as the LCD-2 (r1/r2).

 

BTW, looks like the D7100 measurements are up on innerfidelity.....and ugh :

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7100.pdf

 

Some major steps back from the D7000:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7000B2012.pdf

That sounds about right on the bass comparison.

The 7100's square wave graph looks a LOT different than the 5k and 7k's. I wonder why that is? They looks soft and rounded while the 5-7k look sharp.

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Originally Posted by RushNerd 

That sounds about right on the bass comparison.

 

The 7100's square wave graph looks a LOT different than the 5k and 7k's. I wonder why that is? They looks soft and rounded while the 5-7k look sharp.

Another great article I recommend:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/headphone-measurements-explained-square-wave-response

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero 

The D7000 thumps more, but doesn't go as deep nor is it anywhere as controlled as the LCD-2 (r1/r2).

 

BTW, looks like the D7100 measurements are up on innerfidelity.....and ugh :

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7100.pdf

 

Some major steps back from the D7000:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7000B2012.pdf

WOW! That's one hell of a difference. It's strange, though, Denon said they'd be balanced.

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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 

 

WOW! Denon said they were balanced...

LoL, my thoughts exactly. Yuck!

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero 

The D7000 thumps more, but doesn't go as deep nor is it anywhere as controlled as the LCD-2 (r1/r2).

 

BTW, looks like the D7100 measurements are up on innerfidelity.....and ugh :

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7100.pdf

 

Some major steps back from the D7000:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD7000B2012.pdf

That's an enormous dip between 100 and 1000 hz.  Like, huge.  If I'm reading the graph correctly and the D7000s are that much flatter by comparison, the D7100s are going to be all bass and upper mids.  Of course you can't measure audio enjoyment, but shucks, Denon.

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Originally Posted by olegausany 

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Originally Posted by Silent One 

 

Anyone learn of someone trying the new pads on the D7000 from the D7100?

As much as I know no. There is separate thread for the new Denon cans by the way

Thanks, olegausany But, your answer strongly suggests you're looking at it from the other side. I did not simply wander here having lost my way. Why would D7100 owners and owners to be, look to revert using D7000 pads?

Signed,

A happy and extended D7000 lover...Zeus 22x4 XLR Balanced re-cabled Denon, no less.

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Originally Posted by olegausany 

Start with HiFiMAN HE-400 they are steal for $399

Hmm...I've heard the HE-6 on a Dark Star (properly amped so to speak).  How do the HE-400 compare?  Just curious.  Plus, how much power hunger do the HE-400 require?  I know my Audio-GD FUN had a hard time with the HE-6 I toyed with.  It played them to a "decent level" just not a loud level at all.

The HE-6 was one of a few headphones I enjoyed more than my current arsenal (other being a Stax 009 but I won't even go there lol).

I got to jam some nice toys at a head-fi meet and those two just blew my mind.  Although, not like typical head-fi'ers I got a few WTF looks jamming Armin van Buuren on the Stax 009.