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post #46 of 6560
6/13/08 at 5:15pm
I am happy not to have bought the D5000... Markl modded D7000 will be a beast
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post #47 of 6560
6/13/08 at 5:59pm

Be Sure...

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Originally Posted by antonyfirst View Post
I have owned them for a couple of weeks. They do some good things (soundstage, details) but they really aren't for me.
Before you make your final decsion... be sure... you've heard them after they are fully burnt in (400 hrs), and with a matching amp (low impedance).

That was my initial reaction too, for the first several weeks - but, all that changed when I finally heard the "mature" D5000s with the right amp.

Though... if you don't like the Senn sound... but brighter with more detail... you're unlikely to like the "mature" D5000s, either.
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post #48 of 6560
6/13/08 at 6:05pm

Made of Gold...

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Originally Posted by jantze View Post
1000€ is a bit too much for me.
They'd have to be "made of gold" to be worth $1550 USD (current exchange rate).

I'll be "quite content" with my D5000s for $400 USD.

There is absolutely no way they can be 4x better - no way!
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post #49 of 6560
6/13/08 at 7:23pm
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Before you make your final decsion... be sure... you've heard them after they are fully burnt in (400 hrs), and with a matching amp (low impedance).

That was my initial reaction too, for the first several weeks - but, all that changed when I finally heard the "mature" D5000s with the right amp.

Though... if you don't like the Senn sound... but brighter with more detail... you're unlikely to like the "mature" D5000s, either.
GF2, I'm probably the hugest Grado Fan (I've owned sooo many of them) and have spent many hours with Senn cans. I can honestly say that D5000's with markl mods (couldn't wait 400 hours and modded them after about 200-250 hours) do not sound Senn-ish. IMO they are a more clinical, detailed and refined version of the GS1000 sans the Soundstage.

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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
They'd have to be "made of gold" to be worth $1550 USD (current exchange rate).

I'll be "quite content" with my D5000s for $400 USD.

There is absolutely no way they can be 4x better - no way!
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I am happy not to have bought the D5000... Markl modded D7000 will be a beast
let's not assume that the D7000's need markl mods - quite frankly, for 1k (whichever currency), these cans should need no modification other than a recable at worst. Otherwise, Denon should get out of the business!
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post #50 of 6560
6/13/08 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
They'd have to be "made of gold" to be worth $1550 USD (current exchange rate).

I'll be "quite content" with my D5000s for $400 USD.

There is absolutely no way they can be 4x better - no way!

Neither UE9 and especially Sony MDR r10 are 4x better then the D5000 <<I think>> (MD5000 ~= R10) R10 should be at least 10-12 better than D5000.

btw, I think the list price for the D5000 was 700$ Denon USA | AH-D5000 so D7000~=2xD5000.
400$ is the lowest price you can find for D5000(new) and...
Ehhh.. we shall (if) see!
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post #51 of 6560
6/13/08 at 10:24pm

OK...

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Originally Posted by UtzY View Post
Neither UE9 and especially Sony MDR r10 are 4x better then the D5000 <<I think>> (MD5000 ~= R10) R10 should be at least 10-12 better than D5000.

btw, I think the list price for the D5000 was 700$ Denon USA | AH-D5000 so D7000~=2xD5000.
400$ is the lowest price you can find for D5000(new) and...
Ehhh.. we shall (if) see!
OK... so that would mean $800 to $1000 for the "street price" of the D7000 - I'm still skeptical that it will be 2x better. But... then I guess that's the point - they won't be.
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post #52 of 6560
6/13/08 at 11:18pm
Will the D7000 come from China also ?
If that's the case, then I pity the poor who buys $1k chineese headphones.
Denon doesn't even make/design their headphones, they're rebranded Tianlong headphones ! :O
I will NEVER buy Denon-Chineese crap !
Long live to AKG, Beyer, Sennheiser and Ultrasone.
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post #53 of 6560
6/13/08 at 11:21pm
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Will the D7000 come from China also ?
If that's the case, then I pity the poor who buys $1k chineese headphones.
Denon doesn't even make/design their headphones, they're rebranded Tianlong headphones ! :O
I will NEVER buy Denon-Chineese crap !
Long live to AKG, Beyer, Sennheiser and Ultrasone.

"Tianlong" is just Denon translated to Chinese then translated back to English.
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post #54 of 6560
6/13/08 at 11:29pm
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I will NEVER buy Denon-Chineese crap !
Long live to AKG, Beyer, Sennheiser and Ultrasone.
Forgot Audio-Technica.

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Originally Posted by cclragnarok View Post
"Tianlong" is just Denon translated to Chinese then translated back to English.
Aren't they re-branded Fostex?
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post #55 of 6560
6/13/08 at 11:32pm
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Aren't they re-branded Fostex?
Yes indeed.
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post #56 of 6560
6/13/08 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by cclragnarok View Post
Yes indeed.
Just for the reference for those who's curious.
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/ful...fostex-275683/
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post #57 of 6560
6/14/08 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by UtzY View Post
btw, I think the list price for the D5000 was 700$ Denon USA | AH-D5000 so D7000~=2xD5000.
400$ is the lowest price you can find for D5000(new) and...
The RRP for D5000 in Australia is AUD $1499 - which is over USD $1400!
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post #58 of 6560
6/14/08 at 10:01am
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let's not assume that the D7000's need markl mods - quite frankly, for 1k (whichever currency), these cans should need no modification other than a recable at worst. Otherwise, Denon should get out of the business!
From what we can see from the pic (if this is real, and I have my doubts), it's still the same old cheap frame recycled from the D2000/D5000. If as reported in the thread, the driver is even "more dynamic" then it's likely to be pounding out even more energy. Will they damp the wooden ear cups, and if so, with what? That pathetic strip of cotton they use on the D2000? based on the disappointing build of these amazing phones and what looks like a totally recycled design, I'm skeptical they will be any less prone to vibration and bass bloat. Also, the ear pads look to be the exact same thin ones used on the lower models, so this new "more dynamic" driver will be just as close to the ear as on the others.

Nevertheless, why am I skeptical of those very cheap and incomplete looking marketing materials? Something doesn't look right here to me, so I don't want to get my hopes up. But if it is real, and the driver is actually even "better" sonically than the D5000, man, sign me up, I want a pair!
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post #59 of 6560
6/14/08 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
OK... so that would mean $800 to $1000 for the "street price" of the D7000 - I'm still skeptical that it will be 2x better. But... then I guess that's the point - they won't be.

Every hobby has a point of diminishing return, and Headphones are no exception. I think in the current Denon lineup (which I currently own 1 of each), the point of diminishing return starts after the D2000. There is a substantial difference going from the D1000s to the D2000s, but not so much when going from the D2000s to the D5000s. I can pretty much guarantee a similar (minor) disparity will be noticed when going from the D5000s to the D7000s (assuming the D7000s are indeed real).

So, as with just about all other headphone manufacturers in existence, going from the mid range headphone in the lineup to the top end headphone in the lineup is a large price increase, with perhaps only a slight increase in sound quality, components and drivers if you are lucky.

With that said, DITTO what Markl said above.
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post #60 of 6560
7/8/08 at 1:50pm
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News pics from Denon.^^

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