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post #31 of 94
actually PS1 has excellent resolution assuming you are feeding it with excellent power and have good isolation.

I have had some great success with "supersonic stabilizer" disks sold by Herbie's Audio, placed across the power supply section.
post #32 of 94
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Originally Posted by selfdivider View Post
... just give it good power cord & interconnects. Leave it on 24/7. Then fuhgeddaboutit!

i don't get why the unit has to be on 24/7 for days to sound its best...
does it have tubes inside or does it have to do with powersupply?
post #33 of 94
I'm going to give in and drag mine out of the attic, though I'm not sure it's one of the desirable ones. I did try it as a CDP when the last PS1 craze hit and didn't find it particularly thrilling -- seemed soft and undynamic to me then but perhaps as a cure for digititis it does well, warm and soothing.

JA's measurements in the July issue suggest that the PS1 is noisy and has limited dynamic range (14 bits), among other things. For those of you who are enjoying one of these, what makes its sound so attractive? Do you feel like you're exchanging resolution, accuracy, etc. for musicality? Would you, like Dudley, "trade up" to a PS1 from a dCS? Why?

best,

o
post #34 of 94
I've been a pretty vocal pro-PS1 guy here, as other threads will show. The PS1's sound is very very warm, smooth, with surprising dynamics. Sure it measures like crap, but like Atkinson says, it's a wonder that it sounds so good. That said, I'm going to reiterate that its forte isn't resolution. I know in Chesebert's system, he claims he hears superior resolution, but that hasn't been my experience nor other PS1 users that I've been in conversation with. But my contention is that it's not the resolution that makes PS1 a great CDP, anyway. I'm not saying it's muddy or lacks musical clarity, but if you are looking for that audiophile type transience response, digital precision, this is not that player. Instead, any music played back on PS1 always seems to get the organic whole of the piece more right than more expensive players. It's kind of weird how that happens. Right now, in my Leben system, I have both Consonance Linear CDP and the PS1 connected so that I can do A-B... the Consonance CDP (which is a killer non-upsampling player for under $1K, btw) easily has better resolution. But again, PS1 just has that ability to make music cohere effortlessly, with really pleasant, non-fatiguing highs and surprising power. Just plays music with incredible warmth and authority.

I'm sure there are cases to be made for both the dCS type hi-tech audiophile CDP and for PS1. Sometimes you want to be awed by your gear or your music. Sometimes you want to be moved by them, simply and without any forethought. What the PS1 gives up in resolution to the dCS actually contributes to its "euphony," which seems to be the conclusion to John Atkinson's measurements section. PS1 doesn't have any business sounding as good as it does. Which makes it one of the happiest accidents in the audio world.
post #35 of 94
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Originally Posted by orkney View Post
I'm going to give in and drag mine out of the attic, though I'm not sure it's one of the desirable ones. I did try it as a CDP when the last PS1 craze hit and didn't find it particularly thrilling -- seemed soft and undynamic to me then but perhaps as a cure for digititis it does well, warm and soothing.

JA's measurements in the July issue suggest that the PS1 is noisy and has limited dynamic range (14 bits), among other things. For those of you who are enjoying one of these, what makes its sound so attractive? Do you feel like you're exchanging resolution, accuracy, etc. for musicality? Would you, like Dudley, "trade up" to a PS1 from a dCS? Why?

best,

o
nothing....maybe a little bit of that ultimate 3D holographic imaging and the bass slam of the best of the best...otherwise I am as happy as a clam.
post #36 of 94
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AD is great. I love the fact that he's into DIY and tubes. I look forward to reading his column every month.
That's AD part 2...
I once picked up a Listener magazine - and loved it. I realized that AD might sound clueless even with his best attempt to explain what he feels, but he's honest to his own truth in audio, at least. That was AD that loves DIY SET amps and esoteric Lowthers. He still does.
Then came life after Listener, or should we say, life at Stereophile. This is just about 180 degrees shift, which AD somehow managed to keep at bay (maybe 90 degrees only?!). It's not the price range, but the taste. He reviewed $2K cartridges at Listener and loved them and a Linn Sondek ain't cheap either.
People change direction in life, but AD is more than a "people". He's at this time more of a cult leader... Thorens TD-124 is a respectable turntable, which only 2-3 months ago sold around $500. Try to find one for a grand now and it's no picnic upgrading it according to AD's receipe. Then comes the PS...
The truth should be said that there are many decent sounding players out there and a select few which are truly superb. The price difference between bad/good and superb in digital is staggering, considering the small differences you get with the majority of "upgrades" and for most playback systems that minute difference is not even noticeable. The weakest link, you know...
I don't know how much old PS units will go up in price now, but it's interesting to see... One thing I can tell you. As much a bargain as it may be, there are much better CD players out there. A Revox B-225 may cost a few pennies more, but you truly will have a hard time telling between it and a dCS Verdi. I know, because I've held a few hours session of exactly that, and the owner bought a Revox in the end. No, he didn't sell the dCS...
But there were a few things the Revox did better than the dCS and that is a mighty compliment if you know what the dCS sounds like.
The message I'm trying to say (I'm starting to sound vague, but bear with me...) is that you should not hang on one notable reviewer esoteric weekend (metaphorically speaking...) experiment. Like any review, the gear may or may not do it for you and the only judge is you. Rather than jump, your first step should be to check the water level... It may or may not be to your liking...
As for AD, I still love his column...
post #37 of 94
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Of course "the jump" to try a PS1 is less then 50 bucks. Doubt I can find a Revox for that price.
post #38 of 94
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Originally Posted by Ori View Post
The message I'm trying to say (I'm starting to sound vague, but bear with me...) is that you should not hang on one notable reviewer esoteric weekend (metaphorically speaking...) experiment. Like any review, the gear may or may not do it for you and the only judge is you. Rather than jump, your first step should be to check the water level... It may or may not be to your liking...
I agree with that statement. That should be an accepted truism for any audiophile, and I'm sure most of them abide by that rule of trusting one's own ears & judgment. The comment that "It may or may not be to your liking" should in fact hold true for any audio gear & not just PS1. That said, I think by judging from previously existing threads on PS1, a lot of people are not merely jumping on the bandwagon based on AD's "esoteric weekend." It's not even close to being a secret that PS1 offers performance immeasurably beyond the $20 you spend on it... If anything, AD's quite late to the game & his excellent and honest appraisal of PS1 (along with John Atkinson's typically level-headed response) only serves as a confirmation of what many of us have known & talked about all this while in this forum & other ones.
post #39 of 94
finally got my hands on the model scph-1001 and without having it warmed-up
i've been listening to it thru a wa6 and gs1000 for the past hour and i
have to say it's got an attractive mid-range and an impressive mid-bass as well.
the highs are a bit grainier and not as clean as the vda2+vac1 unit i have...

listening to acoustic instruments like the double bass, guitar and saxophone is
pretty impressive thru this playstation unit. it definitely has that mid-bloom
associated with tubes but it's not thick nor boomy... more relaxed and refined
may be a better description. on electronica or rock/pop this may not be
fully appreciated but with small string ensemble/vocals you're in for a treat.
the mid-bass is resonant and full... it's a bit flabbier than what i'm used to
with the vda2 but it also has snap to it and acceptable resolution/texture.

i think this unit is a keeper and at $25 plus shipping it's a bargain.

*one more thing to add: acoustic guitar sounds absolutely amazing with this
unit. i'm playing bachs' sonata bwv 1001 by jose miguel moreno and it sounds
mighty impressive.

** has anyone listened to a string orchestra thru the playstation unit? it's
jaw dropping impressive! there's a resonance and decay to the sound that's
almost ethereal and magical... my vda2+vac1 doesn't do this...the latter
is cleaner sounding and somewhat higher in resolution but definitely doesn't
have the scph1001s' blooming mids that seem to reveal more layering of tones.
what the heck is in this unit?
post #40 of 94
Excellent report, thanks Takezo. I'd be curious to read your impression after it's been left on for a week... pls keep us posted!
post #41 of 94
i'll check on the unit daily to see if the sound changes... but just
from several hours of play, i'm already impressed. i just have to
think of a good story to tell my wife why i'm leaving a toy console
on continuously during this hot weather here in southern cal...
post #42 of 94
I just picked one up off ebay for $40 shipped after reading this thread. I'll see how it stacks up against the 1212m and modded XCD-88. From one of the threads on Audiogon, the PS1 was good enough to have someone sell the same cd player.

Takezo, can you keep me updated on the impressions against the VDA2? I was looking long and hard at getting one. Thanks!
post #43 of 94

PS-1 vs. Onix XCD-88

This thread intrigues me. I own a stock XCD-99 which I have compared with a slew of other players. To my ears, it is the least digital sounding player I have ever heard and also has incredible resolution. I am about to mod it by replacing the stock opamps with Burr Brown OP-627's. Supposedly this will further increase the warmth of its sound. Having said all this, I am very curious how the Sony PS-1 compares to the Onix. I am well aware that you can take all the measurements in the world and be unable to predict what a certain unit will sound like. Perceived audio quality is not something that can be understood fully just in terms of measurements. Sound engineers are well aware of this, which is why the design of concert halls remains part art and part science, for example. Two cents worth from a newbie to this interesting forum.
post #44 of 94
Good bargain equipment is rare, and fun when you find it, isn't it?
post #45 of 94
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Originally Posted by takezo View Post
*one more thing to add: acoustic guitar sounds absolutely amazing with this
unit. i'm playing bachs' sonata bwv 1001 by jose miguel moreno and it sounds
mighty impressive.

** has anyone listened to a string orchestra thru the playstation unit? it's
jaw dropping impressive! there's a resonance and decay to the sound that's
almost ethereal and magical... my vda2+vac1 doesn't do this...the latter
is cleaner sounding and somewhat higher in resolution but definitely doesn't
have the scph1001s' blooming mids that seem to reveal more layering of tones.
what the heck is in this unit?
Got mine in the mail today. Used a converter for standard power cords and put it on some granite tiles while using APS ICs. This thing is very impressive! I can't agree more with you on the strings, wow.... I've never heard strings like that other than live. Electronic music, not so much but all strings and large pieces sound really really good on this thing! All of this for $25 too! The unit is a little loud and due to the proximity of it to my listening position there is some sound that bleeds over (speakers not cans). More impressions to follow
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