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post #1021 of 1953
I think this thread continues because even though ppl get upset, they ultimately receive an amazing custom built product. There is no way this thread will cause Singlepower to go out of business or even lose business. For people that plan to spend $2000+ on a headphone amp, the choices are limited. Mikhail has some of the best options in the world to chose from, plus you can customize it with parts of your choosing.

Alot of the people who are complaining now have read this thread for months and still ordered an amp from him. This is just comical at this point.
post #1022 of 1953
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Originally Posted by Gollie View Post
I think this thread continues because even though ppl get upset, they ultimately receive an amazing custom built product. There is no way this thread will cause Singlepower to go out of business or even lose business. For people that plan to spend $2000+ on a headphone amp, the choices are limited. Mikhail has some of the best options in the world to chose from, plus you can customize it with parts of your choosing.

Alot of the people who are complaining now have read this thread for months and still ordered an amp from him. This is just comical at this point.
I found this post almost to be offensive, as if the person writing this could be a shill. Had this thread existed before I purchased my amp I WOULD HAVE NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED MIKHAIL and I would imagine that NOBODY who who reads this thread who is considering a singlepower product will purchase a product from that company. There is nothing NOTHING comical about this thread or Singlepower's business practice.

Not only has Singlepower literally taken money from many numerous others, but it has devalued a lot of other small business manufacturers who are similar to Mikhail but have done nothing wrong. I feel uncomfortable purchasing from any company referred to me on head-fi that I don't either have personal past experience with or know I can trust through a personal friend.

In a very VERY Small way, Mikhail's abuse towards his customers has compromised Head-fi's very own integrity. That is NOT comical. The fact that I am out 10 grand is NOT comical. And the fact that other people are out an abundance of money is NOT comical.
post #1023 of 1953
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post
In a very VERY Small way, Mikhail's abuse towards his customers has compromised Head-fi's very own integrity.
It's the same with any audio forum though. There are true believers who will continue to support a vendor even when the evidence is blatant and in their face. This phenomenon only gets worse as the price of the products goes up. It's difficult for someone who's spent $5k or more on a Singlepower amp to even admit to major physical defects... when it comes to intangible business issues, a lot of these customers will defend the guy forever. Many of us got verbally attacked in 2003 when all we were trying to do is post pictures of the insides of SinglePower's non-PCB amps, showing how dangerous they were. We were attacked by people who'd bought the amps as having somehow manufactured the pictures. Yeah sure. People won't even believe their eyes. It's the same with all kinds of audio products. Even though Jude documented cutting up a Virtual Dynamics power cable and showing that it was a garden hose filled with aquarium pebbles and small-gauge copper assembled with hot glue, people refuse to believe it, and willingly spend $10k or more on VD cables, insisting they're full of thick copper. It's the nature of this hobby that it tends to illustrate some very odd phenomena of human psychology.
post #1024 of 1953
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Originally Posted by Wodgy View Post
Many of us got verbally attacked in 2003 when all we were trying to do is post pictures of the insides of SinglePower's non-PCB amps, showing how dangerous they were.
Lets get one fact straight ... the amp wiring was messy like a lot of P2P but they were never dangerous.
post #1025 of 1953
By now if anyone throws money away and complains on this forum about Mikhail is just an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Gollie View Post
I think this thread continues because even though ppl get upset, they ultimately receive an amazing custom built product. There is no way this thread will cause Singlepower to go out of business or even lose business. For people that plan to spend $2000+ on a headphone amp, the choices are limited. Mikhail has some of the best options in the world to chose from, plus you can customize it with parts of your choosing.

Alot of the people who are complaining now have read this thread for months and still ordered an amp from him. This is just comical at this point.
post #1026 of 1953
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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
Lets get one fact straight ... the amp wiring was messy like a lot of P2P but they were never dangerous.
This is plainly untrue. You were one of Mikhail's unfailing defenders in 2003, and I see you still won't give up. I'm not going to debate with you this time. By now the evidence is overwhelming that Mikhail is just a fly-by-night operator.

Remember how Mikhail claimed we couldn't post the pictures of the internals of his amps because he had applied for patents? Guess what -- surprise, surprise -- Mikhail was lying. It's been much more than one year, and there are no patent applications in the USPTO database by either SinglePower or Mikhail.

Mikhail's early non-PCB amps were failing in shipping because the parts would get jostled and short out. If an amp got bumped on someone's desk or if gravity led to wires sagging, one of those amps could have shorted to the chassis and electrocuted someone if the fuses failed.
post #1027 of 1953
Its just incredible that anyone would continue to defend this low life businessman. Just incredible. Should be outraged and feel betrayed that you ever gave him positive reviews to cause others to lose thousands of dollars and time.

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Originally Posted by Wodgy View Post
This is plainly untrue. You were one of Mikhail's unfailing defenders in 2003, and I see you still won't give up.
post #1028 of 1953
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Originally Posted by Wodgy View Post
Remember how Mikhail claimed we couldn't post the pictures of the internals of his amps because he had applied for patents? Guess what -- surprise, surprise -- Mikhail was lying. It's been much more than one year, and there are no patent applications in the USPTO database by either SinglePower or Mikhail.
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Just curious. Did you run a check professionally with your time or cost? And was the conclusion Mikhail/SP has no patents issued/pending etc. ? When I was involved in IP business, simple search never meant much. As far as I know, it is pretty hard to prove that someone does not have something without suing. And in many cases a good patent lawyer and such will make it real tough to search what they really have. As in any other fight, smart guys tends to hide their weapons.

Also, when you consider the volume of headphone amp market (not limited to SP's sales), claim for patent was pretty much meaningless to start with. So in a way, the whole thing is a joke
post #1029 of 1953
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Originally Posted by recstar24 View Post
Markmaxx,

Why would you even bother going through Mikhail at this point? There have been reported issues with tubes as well. Wrong tubes, non functioning broken tubes, mismatched, you are throwing your money down the drain. After reading this thread, you should no better my friend. There are plenty of other tube dealers that can meet your needs, that operate under higher level of business standards, etiquette, and ethics.
Hi Ryon.

Because I was looking for something Bendix/2C51 which are kinda rare. (Mikhail has some).

I just got a PM. back from a friend. I think I might have the tube thing covered.

Mikhail has done all the tricks to me too, I should know better. Thanks!

I asked Mikhail today about this:....Thread. I think I was hard enough!

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Originally Posted by Markmaxx
You are getting slamed on Head-fi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now someone is taking legal action? Why not stay up all night and send this guy his amp, just for the PR?
Mikhail, if you showed up at a head-fi meet some one just may kick your ass. Hope you can dig out of this
Makhail,,,I am doing the best I can with some of these people. I only have about
4 more outstanding big orders that were development items that took a
long time. Everyone else who orders gets there's as soon as they order.
I ship any new orders within 24 to 36 hours. Oh, and that is because I
only sell what I have in store stock. Otherwise, it is well known that
any custom amps will take time.

I am going to wrap up these last outstanding orders and then really be
careful about new custom development projects. I'm getting there,
everyone will be happy within a week.
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Thank You,
Mikhail Rotenberg
Singlepower Audio Inc.
post #1030 of 1953
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Originally Posted by Wodgy View Post
This is plainly untrue. You were one of Mikhail's unfailing defenders in 2003, and I see you still won't give up. I'm not going to debate with you this time. By now the evidence is overwhelming that Mikhail is just a fly-by-night operator.

Remember how Mikhail claimed we couldn't post the pictures of the internals of his amps because he had applied for patents? Guess what -- surprise, surprise -- Mikhail was lying. It's been much more than one year, and there are no patent applications in the USPTO database by either SinglePower or Mikhail.

Mikhail's early non-PCB amps were failing in shipping because the parts would get jostled and short out. If an amp got bumped on someone's desk or if gravity led to wires sagging, one of those amps could have shorted to the chassis and electrocuted someone if the fuses failed.
You basically summarized all the banned threads nicely into one. For some of you who insist that all the wait is worth a quality product, well, you're not getting one. The build design on most of the amps have been discussed thrice over.
post #1031 of 1953
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Originally Posted by tagosaku View Post
Just curious. Did you run a check professionally with your time or cost? And was the conclusion Mikhail/SP has no patents issued/pending etc. ? When I was involved in IP business, simple search never meant much.
Ridiculous. This is not a search for an invention by description... it's a simple matter to search the USPTO database by inventor name or assignee. At that time, SinglePower was a one-man operation. He would be the inventor, and he claimed to be.

If I've somehow missed something, I'm sure one of his tireless defenders, perhaps Earl, will find and point out the patents for us. The patents would have had to be disclosed by now.

In all likelihood, Mikhail's claim to have patents pending was just a ruse to prevent the publication of pictures of the shoddy internals of his amps. (Yes, I realize legally this argument was always nonsense, but Mikhail will make up any story to get past whatever crisis he's currently facing, down to claiming he hasn't been able to ship an amp that's been completed for weeks because he's "out of tape".)
post #1032 of 1953
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Originally Posted by Wodgy View Post
This is plainly untrue. You were one of Mikhail's unfailing defenders in 2003, and I see you still won't give up. I'm not going to debate with you this time. By now the evidence is overwhelming that Mikhail is just a fly-by-night operator.

Remember how Mikhail claimed we couldn't post the pictures of the internals of his amps because he had applied for patents? Guess what -- surprise, surprise -- Mikhail was lying. It's been much more than one year, and there are no patent applications in the USPTO database by either SinglePower or Mikhail.

Mikhail's early non-PCB amps were failing in shipping because the parts would get jostled and short out. If an amp got bumped on someone's desk or if gravity led to wires sagging, one of those amps could have shorted to the chassis and electrocuted someone if the fuses failed.
I dont see anywhere I have defended any of his failures to deliver product, get orders right, fail to ship or whatever. Tom Hankins is one of my very best friends and I dont like seeing his situation period. .... or anyone elses for that matter. But, I have had numerous P2P amps and have many friends that did too and this reliability issue you are dreaming up regarding the P2P amps is nonsense.

Obviously, there seems to be a lot of people complaining about reliability issues, delivery issues, time issues with his products over the last couple years etc... and what is said clearly seems to be true and what defense can there be for that? But, I have had seven or eight older P2P amps and they are still working just fine. As for the danger can you name anyone injured by one of the amps? This situation is clearly VERY bad without you jumping in rewriting history with unsubstantiated claims to stir the pot.
post #1033 of 1953
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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
But, I have had numerous P2P amps and have many friends that did too and this reliability issue you are dreaming up regarding the P2P amps is nonsense.
From my understanding, it wasn't the P2P per se that is the problem. Most SinglePower P2P internal shots I have seen (aside from Elephas' messy and over-upgraded ES-1) are quite well done. Rather, it is parts run outside their design tolerances that are causing issues. Burning FETs, overloaded resistors, etc.

Mind you, this is just semantics at this point......
post #1034 of 1953
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Originally Posted by Wodgy View Post
Ridiculous. This is not a search for an invention by description... it's a simple matter to search the USPTO database by inventor name or assignee. At that time, SinglePower was a one-man operation. He would be the inventor, and he claimed to be.
Just wanted to point out that straight name search can mean little in patent search.

Value of patent is related to volume of business. So quite possibly his claim was what you said - reason to prevent posting internal on 6moon.
And can't really see Mikhail having stuff applicable to mass market which was used in the MPX or whatever reviewed:P
post #1035 of 1953
When someone purchases a product from any company they are welcomed to open it up and post pictures of it on the internet or anywhere else. IF there is a pending patent then you don't sell it until the patent is no longer pending. Very plain and simple. Once someone owns something and they've paid money for it, they can do whatever they want with it.
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