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post #61 of 168
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And now for pics... (click any for a larger version)

Post #1 has been updated with a pic of the back of both the amp and PSU. And here are the insides:

Amp unit internals



Power supply unit internals



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Originally Posted by wower View Post
With the Cyrstal M, with your current setup, would you desribe being able to hear the air beneath the bass? Like a very natural presentation of the bass where there is both grip and extension? Like there is just endless bottom end? I'm not sure how to desribe it but I've heard the effect with great high-end speaker setups (JMlabs top-end stuff powered with mark L.) and I'm wondering if the same extension can be achieve with headphones. It hasn't been in my experience but then I've never heard the super systems people have floating around head-fi.
I think I know what you're talking about, I do kinda hear the "air beneath the bass" a bit with the AD2000 (and W5000 also), but it's also not really there. I think speed response to bass is a factor in revealing the quality. I'm also not sure why you ask that in relevance to Crystal Method since the bass with their music is synthesized, not acoustic, and doesn't have air below it. I hear the quality only with my acoustic-based music.
post #62 of 168
the workmanship is incredible.
post #63 of 168
I agree, that's a very well made amp! Someday I'll build my own, and hopefully it'll be nearly as nice!
post #64 of 168
Just finished my own balanced b22, at least the innards. Sounds awesome with the balanced Opus. Now its time to order some panels for it.
post #65 of 168
Holy **** Asr, that's some amazing work Naaman has put into that amp.

I wonder where's mine, it's still en route from US(Iraq). Today makes 40 days of wait. I have this weird feeling it's on the way back to Naaman, haha.
post #66 of 168
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Week 3 - Final Notes

Over the past week, I primarily listened to the B22 with the Audience powerChord E on my Plinius CD-101, sporadically re-visiting the bel canto CD-1 and dCS P8i. I heard a definite improvement with the Audience over the LAT power cord - there was an even better sense of focus, increased clarity on the transients, and a deeper & wider soundstage.

As it is right now, I really like my system as set up right now: Black Sand Silver Reference MKV power cord > Plinius CD-101 > Analysis Plus Silver Oval XLR > B22 > K701 | AD2000 | W5000 | HP2. There's such a nice sense of speed and detail that's becoming really addictive.

There's not much more that I can add about the amp. I've really been enjoying the different sounds from the Plinius, dCS, and bel canto CDPs, while swapping interconnects too. It's clearly very transparent and the sonic differences between the CDPs have given me a taste of what it's capable of.

While I can't (and probably shouldn't) pin down the sound of the B22, I can say that it's ultimately revealing of source and will make or break a system depending on what it's connected to. I enjoy it with the Plinius the most, it just reveals so much blinding speed with that CDP. New things I've heard with the setup include high-speed zings (as in, the "zing" of a guitar or banjo string), high-low frequency insta-sweeps (like, piano note impact all the way to the near-midbass "decay", or any other time a mid-range/bass note starts in the mid-range and descends very quickly), and just overall twang & explosiveness. I could see some people might complain this may be too metallic and/or sparkly-sounding, but IMO this is better and something I've been waiting a long time to hear.

The B22 is an excellent amp, and I really like how it sounds, but I also really feel like this is overkill for most dynamic headphones - I certainly feel like I'm missing at least half the picture regardless of which headphone I'm listening with (K701, AD2000, W5000, HP2). I think anyone who wants to get the most out of the B22 should be using headphones more like the Qualia 010 or K1000.

And on a final note, this B22 is not the end of my journey....

I'd also like to publicly acknowledge & thank Ti Kan and naamanf for their work in designing and building this amp, respectively.
post #67 of 168
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Originally Posted by Asr View Post
While I can't (and probably shouldn't) pin down the sound of the B22, I can say that it's ultimately revealing of source and will make or break a system depending on what it's connected to.
Yes, this is my feeling exactly. Its brutally revealing and honest. I've listened to recordings that sound pretty good on other amps, that sound kind of crappy on the b22 I also agree that it doesnt really have its own sound, which I really like since it doesnt color the sound. I still havent balanced my Alessandros, so Im stuck with my DT770 which isnt the best phone to showcase the b22 I think.
post #68 of 168
Asr, that's a great writeup, I know I'd be wanting one of this for sure.

My amp from naamanf is as good as lost by USPS. Another week and it'll be 60 days from date of delivery. Hopefully I get another chance at this amp when naamanf decides to build again, until then, it's all sandcastles in the sky.

Reading your review was quite tantalizing
post #69 of 168
Thread Starter 
That sucks that USPS lost your amp, was it insured? I take it you checked with your local customs? And you were in line for naamanf's 2nd Beta 22, right? Hopefully it doesn't take too long for you to get a replacement.

My last few posts in this thread shouldn't be considered a review btw, they're more like impressions bites (if that). I'd go into detail for an actual review.
post #70 of 168
Wow UPS actually lost your Beta22? That sucks so bad man!
post #71 of 168
hahha.. I asked about the CM because I remember a while back your named one of their CDs - "Bass Journey"? "Bass Nation"? or something; I looked for it in Japan and couldn't find it - and thought that would be a convinent reference point since I'm familiar with their work. Thanks though, the synth vs. acoustic bass is an aspect I completely overlooked.
post #72 of 168
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Originally Posted by mofonyx View Post
Asr, that's a great writeup, I know I'd be wanting one of this for sure.

My amp from naamanf is as good as lost by USPS. Another week and it'll be 60 days from date of delivery. Hopefully I get another chance at this amp when naamanf decides to build again, until then, it's all sandcastles in the sky.

Reading your review was quite tantalizing
WOW man...thats crazy...please tell me it was insured at the least? Thats a hell of a item to lose in the mail....maybe someone thought it was a bomb or something. I could only imagine how much the board would light up when you sent a B22 and the PSU through a Xray machine....must be like they have a fuggin telethon =)

Seriously, my god, i would just be going nuts if they lost something like a B22. Get on the horn, call the president...tell W to get off his ass and find your B22!
post #73 of 168
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Hrmm, I don't recall mentioning any CDs like that. TCM doesn't have any CDs with a name close to that (just Vegas, Community Service, Tweekend, Legion of Boom, Community Service II, London [OST], and Drive) and I certainly don't own any CDs by any other artists that have "bass" in the title, that would kinda be a new low for me.
post #74 of 168
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Originally Posted by Asr View Post
I certainly don't own any CDs by any other artists that have "bass" in the title, that would kinda be a new low for me.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....wait thats not funny...i have 1 Drum and bass CD actually...its kinda trippy =)

Also have a blues/jazz with bass in the title =) Come on Asr, i know you got 1 CD with the word Bass in the there somewhere.
post #75 of 168
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Originally Posted by HighLife View Post
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....wait thats not funny...i have 1 Drum and bass CD actually...its kinda trippy =)

Also have a blues/jazz with bass in the title =) Come on Asr, i know you got 1 CD with the word Bass in the there somewhere.
Hrmm, lemme check...

....nope, no CDs with "bass" in the title, sorry.
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