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post #31 of 102
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Originally Posted by PFKMan23 View Post
The simple fact of the matter that basically called a company a scam is going to evoke a strong reaction. Your post yielded equally strongly worded responses, so it seems to me that you might be a candidate to heed your own advice about "if you can’t handle the heat, well, you know what they say…" You seem to not be able to handle the responses that your tone can generate.
Exactly. He already clearly had his mind made up about the situation before asking any questions, but when we call him out on it he complains.

What exactly do you expect SP to tell you? I mean what are they suppose to do, open up their finances so that you can check that they are not "scamming" us. What if they had to raise prices to survive. Are they suppose to tell you all their company's performance to make you satisfied. Please.
post #32 of 102
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Originally Posted by mmwwhats View Post
Regarding using the word “lie” in my original post: I wasn’t calling SP liars, I was saying that if their price increases are to due to increased demand, market bearing, etc. then please don’t lie by telling me that it’s due to increasing parts cost. However, if the parts cost really did justify such price increases, then I hoped the community would help enlighten me. Any legitimate business should be able to explain to their customer why they’re charging said customer more for the same product. If that business cannot explain, well, then something seems highly suspect. The idea that you don’t have to right to ask such question is ludicrous considering we as the customers are the ones handing over our very hard earned money. Questions come with the territory, and if you can’t handle the heat, well, you know what they say…
Look, parts costs ARE going up. I really enjoy DIY, buy parts regularly and see the costs. Look here: XE.com - The World's Favorite Currency and Foreign Exchange Site. XE has the exchange rates for all the major currencies.

As of this post, $1.00 USD buys you 0.51131 GBP.

Say you want to build Pete Millett's ECC99 SRPP amp (ECC99 SRPP Headphone Amp) which calls for a pair of Sowter 8665 (SOWTER AUDIO TRANSFORMERS HOME PAGE) output transformers. The 8665 sells for 58.40 GBP. So to buy two of them, you need to spend $228.43.

I bought two 8665 transformers in 2006. They cost me about $140. So the cost difference is about $90 over two years.

So, if Singlepower's transformer cost goes up $90 in two years, do you understand why the price would go up?

This isn't just transformer cost, either. Capacitors, resistors, tubes, raw aluminum, everything has been jumping in price. If you want me to walk you through a price sheet for an amp, I will.

I don't mean to patronize, but this is basic economics and accounting. The price increases are, well, just plain out obvious to me. I've been seeing all sorts of inflation (despite the "official" numbers) and have been waiting for the other shoe to drop for consumer prices. You're going to see more and more of this for other consumer products. If you have any major purchases to make, you might want to do it now while interest rates are low and before we get socked with higher prices on everything.
post #33 of 102
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Uncle Eric, Thanks for being the one to finally post something that actually provides some insight.
post #34 of 102
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
So, if Singlepower's transformer cost goes up $90 in two years, do you understand why the price would go up?
Another thing I see a lot is how people think that if cost increases by $90, retail price should only increase by $90.
Sorry to say that is not how the real world works.
post #35 of 102
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Originally Posted by AC1 View Post
Another thing I see a lot is how people think that if cost increases by $90, retail price should only increase by $90.
Sorry to say that is not how the real world works.
That's a great point of emphasis for a thread like this. I think the OP definitely needs to be aware that just because the increase might only be X, doesn't (and most often) mean that the increase on the total product price will be equal. Most companies use a multiplier ie: X * [N] where X is the parts cost (with any additional associated costs) and N is a multiplier. X*N is the additional cost.
post #36 of 102
Uncle Erik, thanks for your insights.

Yes, the other shoe will drop soon when it comes to inflation in the overall economy. Perhaps meager wage raises have held some company price increases in check. But things look like they may get out of control soon.

Luxury goods companies like Singlepower may be at the cutting edge of price increases, because they feel freer to pass costs along, compared to say a bakery or car tire manufacturer. Nobody NEEDS a headphone amp. Except us.......

BETTER GET YOUR AMPS and cans now, or at least soon, no matter what company you're considering.
post #37 of 102
It's because the US Dollar is in a free fall
post #38 of 102
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Any legitimate business should be able to explain to their customer why they’re charging said customer more for the same product. If that business cannot explain, well, then something seems highly suspect.
No business, legitimate or otherwise, is required to explain price increases, and if they don't explain it, the only thing they should be suspected of is operating in a free market. A Single Power amp is worth what the market will pay for it, regardless of the cost of parts, labor, credit, shipping, etc. When the economy contracts and sales of luxury goods shrink, companies like SP will be forced to hold or even drop their prices, even as their cost rise. Some of them will be forced out of business as a result.

No one will complain on internet boards then, unless they bitch about the loss of a favorite brand, blaming it on poor management or foreign competitiion.

So why do they not come right out an say why prices are going up, or just tell you the part that sounds OK (rising parts prices)? Because the truth: "We're in business to make money and we will freeze or lower prices when we have hit the ceiling of what the market will bear," pisses off hobbyist audiences who, against logic and reality, feel somehow that these companies owe them something more than a good product at a market price.

Tim
post #39 of 102
“Why thank you. So much for the notion of civil discourse.”

? You’ve repeatedly quoted wrong information stating it as fact.


OK You’ve Libeled a reputable company by you False Statements. Please go back and retract those False Statements and Publicly Apologize.

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post #40 of 102
I guess its mostly related to parts costs.
The USD have had a steep drop the last month, resulting in increased part costs (the parts itself, shipping, ...)
post #41 of 102
I have two general impressions:

1. Since 2004 and US dollar has weakened substantially, while the cost of oil has skyrocketed. To assert that manufacturing and production costs have no increased since 2004 is simply ridiculous; prices across the board have increased to accommodate for expensive oil and a weak dollar.

In 2004 the average price for barrel of oil was about $37, as of this week prices are pushing $130 a barrel. The dollar was worth about $1.25 Canadian dollars, now it's worth $1.

2. I sometimes feel as though Single Power gets somewhat of a red carpet treatment around here, and anything but jubilant praise for their products gets treated like blasphemy. Of course, this has nothing to do with the Single Power itself, it's more just a trend I see in the forum. One could argue that it's justified; they do make excellent amps, some of the best available, but I don't think that (or anything else) is enough to support blind praise.
post #42 of 102
Ok everyone i guess i should let the cat out of the bag...

the reason why the price increase is because SP and i have been shooting a new 2009 swimsuit calender staring me every month in the Jacuzzi with a different SP amp each month.

The cost of makeup artists, my breast implants, union nipple puffers, etc are the reason why you all have to pay slightly more.

Wait..no thats not the reason but i am willing..

quick everyone call SP and demand my half naked body on your wall in 2009!!
post #43 of 102
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Originally Posted by bhd812 View Post
Ok everyone i guess i should let the cat out of the bag...

the reason why the price increase is because SP and i have been shooting a new 2009 swimsuit calender staring me every month in the Jacuzzi with a different SP amp each month.

The cost of makeup artists, my breast implants, union nipple puffers, etc are the reason why you all have to pay slightly more.

Wait..no thats not the reason but i am willing..

quick everyone call SP and demand my half naked body on your wall in 2009!!

Union Nipple Puffers FTW!
post #44 of 102
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Originally Posted by braillediver View Post
“Why thank you. So much for the notion of civil discourse.”

? You’ve repeatedly quoted wrong information stating it as fact.


OK You’ve Libeled a reputable company by you False Statements. Please go back and retract those False Statements and Publicly Apologize.

li•bel Audio Help ˈlaɪ bəl - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lahy-buh l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -beled, -bel•ing or (especially British ) -belled, -bel•ling.
–noun
1.Law.
a.defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b.the act or crime of publishing it.
c.a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.

2.anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.
–verb (used with object)
3.to publish a libel against.
4.to misrepresent damagingly.
5.to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.
Thank you very much for the language lesson. As a non english native I sometimes lack the skill for the more minute nuances in the english language. And I'm starting to think this whole thread is one of those occasions where I miss the point because of this.

I don't see the reason going after Jerome this hard. Have you read the original post by him? The only libelling he made was to refer to prices used in another post. I don't find it libelling at all to make a reference to something as long as you state where your information comes from, even if the original info is wrong. The rest of his post was quite balanced and thoughtful in my view.

This kind of extreme defensivness makes me think LeChucks point no2 might be kind of spot on.....
post #45 of 102
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Originally Posted by bhd812 View Post
Ok everyone i guess i should let the cat out of the bag...

the reason why the price increase is because SP and i have been shooting a new 2009 swimsuit calender staring me every month in the Jacuzzi with a different SP amp each month.

The cost of makeup artists, my breast implants, union nipple puffers, etc are the reason why you all have to pay slightly more.

Wait..no thats not the reason but i am willing..

quick everyone call SP and demand my half naked body on your wall in 2009!!
lol. I'm getting on the phone right now. I hope the operators are standing by
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