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post #16 of 102
5/18/08 at 10:26pm

Where did you get that info???????

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Originally Posted by PFKMan23 View Post
Not to nitpick, but Woo Audio (among others like Headamp, Ray Samuels, Headroom) has raised their prices since release. That being said, all you have to do is simply choose not to buy their products. In any case, a headphone amp is a luxury good so you can just choose another one of the many companies that build amps and buy one of their amps, or go hire someone else to build an amp. There really isn't some conspiracy like you want to believe though.
Please don't involve me into this, my prices are the same since I started this business 6-7 years Ago. I have been selling my amps for the same price I declared it on my web site with out a penny more. Next time do better search before you mis inform the readers.
Ray Samuels
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post #17 of 102
5/18/08 at 10:30pm
Errr, is using an 'introductory price' as evidence of an increase when it goes up to the normal price shortly after fair? Shouldn't that be a 'discounted price' at the beginning - a good thing? It's a pretty common practice with many manufacturers.
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post #18 of 102
5/18/08 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by mmwwhats View Post
I've noticed that with all their amps Single Power has increased their prices not so gradually and quite dramatically. I've asked SP why this is done and was told it's due to increases in parts cost... hmm.

Is SP practicing "what the market can bear" marketing? Any co. has the right to charge what they want for their products, including SP. Let them go ahead and charge $10G for a PPX, but a) don't lie and say it's because the parts cost more and b) the community should be more vocal about the decreased value of these products as they perpetually climb to join the likes of Krell and others that make great products, no doubt, but charge prices laughably more than the products are worth (and please don't respond that a product is worth as much as a customer is willing to pay for it...)
I didn't quite get the part about, Why you would ask company why the prices have increased?, and then say they have the right to charge what they want. Which is it?
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post #19 of 102
5/18/08 at 10:42pm
What I said about civil discourse goes for EVERYONE here...let's all play nice, please.
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post #20 of 102
5/18/08 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post

If these numbers are correct (and I don't know that they are) then there has been a 32.9% price increase in the MPX3 in a little over a year's time. And lets not get into a cost of parts debate. The cost of parts typically represents a small fraction of the price of audio gear, and I doubt that SP is somehow an exception.

--Jerome
Your numbers are not correct. The MPX3 has had incremental price increases for the past three years. But, because he never updates his website this informaton seems to go undetected.
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post #21 of 102
5/18/08 at 10:53pm
They are not my numbers. They are the numbers supplied by the OP, which is why I said I didn't know if they were correct.

--Jerome
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post #22 of 102
5/18/08 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post
They are not my numbers. They are the numbers supplied by the OP, which is why I said I didn't know if they were correct.

--Jerome

Yes, but you were the one using them and speculating about a 32.9% price increase .... so I told you they were not correct.

I looked at the 6 Moons review and that article was done September 2004. So $849 in late 2004.
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post #23 of 102
5/18/08 at 11:09pm
It wasn't specuation. The percentage I gave was based solely on the numbers given by the OP. If his numbers are wrong then the percentage is wrong. I already said that in my original post. Continue this hair splitting exercise if you must, but I won't indulge you any further.

--Jerome
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post #24 of 102
5/18/08 at 11:10pm
With respect to Ray Samuels, yes I was wrong due to the fact that the price is somewhat offset by the inclusion of 2 batteries which were not included during the original release. I did not take that into account, as the orginal price was $349 without batteries.

However, other manufacturers in the headphone world have raised their prices, so Singlepower is definitely not the only company who is doing this. Given the rising costs of oil it is fairly inevitable that this will or has occurred. However, making SP to be big bad and evil. which seems to be the tone of the original poster. is wrong. IMO the part that gives it that tone has definitely been shown in the original post.
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post #25 of 102
5/18/08 at 11:20pm
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post
I was doing some simple mathmatics based the numbers given by the OP. The fact that you seem to be taking exception to that is irrelevant.

--Jerome
I am not taking exception to anything. I simply told you the numbers were not correct. Now you want to abdictate responsibility and blame the OP. But YOU were the one doing the calculating. My intent was to only to correct the misinformation which is done.
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post #26 of 102
5/18/08 at 11:35pm
"If his numbers are wrong"

You're a fool for quoting him if you haven't verified the information.


Mitch
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post #27 of 102
5/18/08 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by mmwwhats View Post
Either way, I wont get into a rant here; I simply started this thread because I wanted to know if SP products are worth their price or if they are beginning to become wildly overpriced. I was hoping to hear from people who actually have experience in the matter (like some of you who commented do) and not just people who have opinions in the matter.
You asked a fair question about SP products and pricing. I just didn't like the comment, "don't lie" or the whole bottom paragraph for that matter.

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Originally Posted by mmwwhats View Post

Is SP practicing "what the market can bear" marketing? Any co. has the right to charge what they want for their products, including SP. Let them go ahead and charge $10G for a PPX, but a) don't lie and say it's because the parts cost more and b) the community should be more vocal about the decreased value of these products as they perpetually climb to join the likes of Krell and others that make great products, no doubt, but charge prices laughably more than the products are worth (and please don't respond that a product is worth as much as a customer is willing to pay for it...)
In regards to being worth their price, I feel they are great amps and they work great with the cans I had owned and own now (if you check my profile I've owned a fair number of cans, though on some of them, but at least with most of them I had a SP amp to try them with). I have two SP amps, one at home and work and I enjoy them a lot. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't use my SP amps. Hope that answers your question to some extend.
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post #28 of 102
5/18/08 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by braillediver View Post
You're a fool for quoting him if you haven't verified the information.
Why thank you. So much for the notion of civil discourse.

--Jerome
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post #29 of 102
5/19/08 at 1:56am
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This thread has totally become something it wasn't intended to. I really just wanted to know what was going on with SP, if their numbers were justified, and if anyone had any insight. If their numbers weren't justified, then the community should be aware of what's going on and be able to make their own decisions from there. The numbers I quoted in my original post ARE accurate, and my intention in singling out SP was not that they increased their price, it was they increased their price SO QUICKLY. I'm not here to start a fire-storm fighting rally against SP or anyone.

Regarding my strong language in the original post: first, I am extremely opinionated, which clearly came across. Second, the frustration in that original post, although not directly targeted at SP (again simply don't know) is borne of frustration from the crap that some high-end audio companies pull by charging ridiculous prices for their items in order to attach an aura of desirability and perceived superiority to other products. I mean come on, don't even try to tell me that we all (myself included) haven't looked at some mega priced amp or what not and thought to ourselves "wow, that thing’s got to be awesome" for no other reason than its price. Couple that price bias to the placebo effect and subjective nature of our perception of sound and you've effectively produced a very shrewd marketing scheme by simply increasing your item's price. Some companies are exploiting this inherent subjective variable in the evaluating/purchasing process and it's unfortunate that we perpetuate these behaviors by supporting and continuing to rave about such companies/products. Again, I'll reiterate, I have no clue that SP is or is not doing this, that's why I started the thread; I was asking. Additionally, I've owned an MPX3 nicely upgraded, and nice as it was, it wasn't much (or at all) better sounding than my CI Audio VHP-2; different, yes, but it did not provide superior fidelity. Now, that either means that the VHP-2 is playing WAY above its price range or the MPX3 is playing way below (or somewhere in the middle). You can decide for yourself.

Regarding using the word “lie” in my original post: I wasn’t calling SP liars, I was saying that if their price increases are to due to increased demand, market bearing, etc. then please don’t lie by telling me that it’s due to increasing parts cost. However, if the parts cost really did justify such price increases, then I hoped the community would help enlighten me. Any legitimate business should be able to explain to their customer why they’re charging said customer more for the same product. If that business cannot explain, well, then something seems highly suspect. The idea that you don’t have to right to ask such question is ludicrous considering we as the customers are the ones handing over our very hard earned money. Questions come with the territory, and if you can’t handle the heat, well, you know what they say…
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post #30 of 102
5/19/08 at 2:20am
I honestly don't know what to say to you at this point. You've been given very valid answers to your questions and points. I will begin by saying you should heed your own advice. You admit to being very "extremely opinionated" and your posts did carry a very accusatory tone (as opposed to simply inquisitive). Whether that was your intent is regardless, given that its well after the fact. I hope you realize that if you're just looking for opinions, that using the words you did is completely improper.

The simple fact of the matter is, basically called a company a scam is going to evoke a strong reaction. Your post yielded equally strongly worded responses, so it seems to me that you might be a candidate to heed your own advice about "if you can’t handle the heat, well, you know what they say…" You seem to not be able to handle the responses that your tone can generate.

Being strongly opinionated and using such strong words can yield strongly worded responses. That should not be that surprising in any situation, online or otherwise.

That said, to reply to your questions. People have given you a wide variety of responses, Some people feel the pricing of SP amps are justified, others do not. It seems fairly obvious to me that you do not. If you're happy with a cheaper product, then that is perfectly fine. I would say congratulations to that. You have also been given very valid reasons for the price increase. Depending on societal and economic conditions, prices can have a sharp increase or decrease. You can choose to disregard the replies given, if you wish, but your questions have been answered to the best of our ability. I really don't think you'll find some sort of a unified response about whether we feel SP's pricing structure and practices are justified.

If you truly want an official response I suggest that you call Singlepower and ask your questions there (email is much less solid as a means of communication for this company).
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