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post #31 of 37
sound of panasonic has never been bad but been hyped by market speak like 24 bit dac, shockwave etc. this player sounds good but is not recommended for anything but earbuds. it hisses only a bit and sound decent if you have liked panasonic in the past. if not, no reason to go for it. if it did not require windows, i probably would have bought it 8 months ago as i was hard on it then.
post #32 of 37

850N

Since this is one of the better D-snap threads I've seen online, I'd like to contribute some more:

The link on how to drag and drop seems to be dead now. I found out how from another site but it took a lot of searching. All I had to do was switch the mode to recording, make a recording, and then when I had it connected to my computer I dragged and dropped files into the audio recording folder(I believe I had to view hidden files in Windows). If you want to organize it, you can just make more folders in the recording folder and go by that. It's much simpler than trying to decipher the Japanese program which also seemed to be much slower(probably partially because it had to convert every file). Also, this apparently works with mp3 files but not WMA, and like the previous poster mentioned, the names won't display entirely correctly.

To get the Japanese program running on non-Japanese Windows I believe you have two options. Use Microsoft's AppLocale to emulate running it in Japanese, or go to Regional and Language Options in the control panel and then going to Advanced and changing Language for Non-Unicode programs to Japanese(I changed the regional options to Japanese and also installed East Asian language support with a windows disc as well). If you're going the AppLocale route I believe you need to run the installer with AppLocale as well as the program once it's installed. With the control panel option I believe it should work fine on it's own, but you might want to change the language toolbar on the bottom to Japanese before installing and running the program.

I lost my SD-Jukebox CD and apparently Panasonic doesn't allow you to download it from their website, but I was able to download MOOOCS player v6 although I'm having trouble locating any download location for it other than torrents at this point. So anyway, if you don't want to drag and drop mp3's onto your player, you should be able to find MOOCS(same function as SD-Jukebox apparently) online, either on a torrent tracker or somewhere else, and then you have a couple ways to install and run it. It doesn't take too long to figure out how to use it even if you don't know Japanese. I think it got it working in 10-20mins, although I wasn't able to really organize my music very well.

As for the player itself, I love it as well. I can take it out to the woods and even if I leave it playing non-stop it can still last several days. So it's great if you're not around a computer for awhile. I don't have to be afraid, like with my iPod, that if I don't turn if off and lock it that it'll drain the battery in only a few hours. So the battery life is a huge plus. Downside is charging it in the car I guess, but I've never really needed to. The battery life is so long that unless you're not around a computer for 1-2 weeks straight you should be fine.

The noise cancelling is pretty good as well. There's several great benefits to this: I can listen to it on a much lower volume than normal earbuds; even my sennheiser ones that are pretty good at blocking noise passively aren't as good. It also works well for napping(blocking out car sounds etc.), trains, and airplanes. Another nice feature is if you turn the volume to 0 you still get the noise cancelling benefits and thus can turn your player into a really expensive pair of earplugs. The downside is that if you sleep with earbuds in you might not hear your alarm clock...

As for the overall sound quality, I've head that dragging and dropping mp3's results in a lower quality than using SD-jukebox. I haven't really noticed this but I'm not a huge audiophile. I do notice hissing now if noise cancelling is on and I'm listening to softer music like classical music. It's not too bad though. When noise cancelling is off it's still there, but hardly noticeable even with softer music. For most regular songs like pop, rock, etc., I don't notice it at all unless maybe there's a soft spot or a silent part. When I use my regular headphones though(HD 580) I can't hear any hissing at all. I also think this might be due to wear on the earphones or weather conditions affecting it. I've used it in a lot of different environments and that might be why it hisses a little now. I don't remember hearing hissing when I bought it.

Overall, without the drag and drop feature I still really liked it but it wasn't quite perfect. I hadn't updated the music for months because it was such a pain to find a version of SD-jukebox to download and install that'd work on my version of windows. If you know you can get it working(i.e. you have Japanese windows) it'd be annoying but not too bad. And once I learned I could drag and drop into the recording folder everything became much better and my only real complaint disappeared. It's simple but powerful imo. There's some useful equalizer and effects options that are great to have as well(some sound really nice with certain songs). I particularly like that I can listen to the subtler parts of songs while on a plane without blasting my eardrums, whereas with my iPod even when I crank the volume it's harder to hear those. I don't think it gets as loud as the iPod(so if you're deaf like my dad you may need to max the volume), but because of the noise cancelling feature you probably won't need it to be as loud. For example, the volume goes from 0 to 25. I can listen to it at about 5-7 and people will talk to me in a normal voice and I won't hear them, or I'll miss phone calls going off right next to my head. Being able to use SDHC cards is also great since you can expand the storage to about 32GB so far(64GB soon I suppose). I've also been recycling all my 2GB camera cards so that's another handy feature. I'm not really limited by storage space with this thing. Also, you can change the menus to English on the player. I don't believe you can with SD-Jukebox, but I've heard 2 people report that they talked to Panasonic Japan and got a version that works on English Windows, so that might be something to look into.

There's also a bluetooth version(I didn't think that'd be too useful, especially for a decrease in battery life and a hefty added cost) and what I think is an adapter that goes from the data port(where the USB plug goes in) to a line out jack. I think the store had one other accessory but I can't remember what it was(something for Panasonic speaker docks I think). I'll have to use the line-out jack with speakers at some point to see if it'll work in things like stereos and cars that have a line-in input. But the big downside so far is the lack of accessories. I only saw two(one that was useful), and a bluetooth option. There's nothing really like an iTrip that I've seen, so playing music in your car is probably limited to Bluetooth or a line-in jack, which a lot of cars don't seem to have.
post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by jessica_fae View Post
I had a Sharp MT77 in silver. This was a very cool player. Really small and light and it had an external AA battery holder option. I "loaded" all music via optical line-in recording. For those not used to minidisc, "loading" music was more like recording music onto tapes, real-time recording and using the buttons on the device to move tracks around or split them.

And I still have a Sony NH1 HiMD player/recorder. The 1GB minidiscs are really cool. And I was able to pick up 20 of them for 20gbp (1 british pound per disc) when I was living there 2 years ago. I tended to carry around 6 discs with me (one in the NH1 and 5 in my purse. That was 6GB of music for 6gbp.

And with SonicStage it really wasn't that much different to using a DAP. In contrast to the pre-netMD players SonicStage was so convenient. I guess one has to experience what it is like to spend 90minutes loading a CD onto a minidisc: 1x recording and then maybe another 30minutes manually entering track names and artist names using the remote to enter one character at a time. It was just part of the ritual of buying new music.

I still love my NH1. It sounds so good and still has something like 20hrs of battery life per charge and the 3line remote is still really nice.
i had that same sharp unit but in silver and before that a panasonic, sharp and sony. i ended up with rh10 for my final unit before i bowed out of the game. 7 solid years of md!
post #34 of 37
i own the SD-850n for about a year now... i got lucky that an ebayer had sent me a copy of sd jukebox v5 which i use now, only problem is that it is not compatible with SDHC cards..

so, if anyone wants it i could try and upload it somewhere... a player is excelent for me, and only thing im concerned with is that if the headphones jack gets warn out and stops working, where will i find new pair of headphones...

one thing that i noticed is that if you tried to install the SD jukebox v6.7, afterwards you are unable to install v5, it took me weeks to try to fix it and than i just deleted the "Panasonic" folder in c:\program files\common files... and i installed the v5 and it works like a charm...

one thing about dragging and dropping the files in REC_FILE folder is that, you can only play mp3 files and you can reproduce songs above 192kbps... but the downside is that the sound is not normalized and sometimes the names of the songs get messed up and you cant read which song you are playing..
post #35 of 37
It's funny that you should mention that. After about 6 months of service the headphones started acting up. I noticed earlier that the wires were bent about 90 degrees to the jack when I'd wrap the wires around the player, and apparently over time that's what broke the wires. I'll probably try to repair them soon(there's some guides online) but it'll probably be slightly different than most since there's likely power/gnd wires for the noise cancelling unit as well, which might make it a little more complicated.
I love how there's no power module required for the earbuds, but so far I haven't seen any 3rd party replacements around and getting some from Japan will probably be difficult. So it's kinda annoying in a way too because when they finally wear out for good it's not like I can just buy another pair. I'll be downgrading the experience by getting a clunky set of noise cancelling earbuds if I ever have to replace the default ones :/
post #36 of 37
hi, I have a sv-sd510 and I'd like to use sd cards more than 2 gb...
Could someone please tell me the trick to do that?
It seems it's possible by using the MSC/UMS mode but how?
(the link to the thread that discussed this on mp3dap.com is dead)
post #37 of 37

   Ok, so I've had mine for probably 2 years or so. I've used it a lot and figured stuff out so I'll try to help as I can.

 

Incidentally, some weird voodoo shit happened last night and I think I broke mine(finally). The cable snagged on a door handle(smooth round ones), slid into the hole where the flat part toggles the lock, and got a little crushed. I thought it just ruined the headphones(my 2nd pair), but I tried another pair and now it just hisses in both pairs(good and possibly bad set of headphones) and my computer won't read it. So I might try disassembling it later to fix it.

 

To drag and drop files(yes, it limits names and only allows mp3s iirc, and quality is limited, but I don't care): Change the mode, make a recording, browse on any computer starting at the PRIVATE folder.

 

The full file path would be

\PRIVATE\MEIGROUP\SDPLAYER\LINE_REC

 

Then add folders/files as you wish. You can also try just adding that file path to the mp3 player, starting with PRIVATE, but I think you have to start with making a recording or it doesn't change the mode correctly.

 

You can delete music files from the mp3 player too which is pretty handy.

 

 

The backlight to my screen died after about 1.5yrs of use. Works at night and in dark places, barely visible during the day unless I cup my hand around it. Doesn't matter too much though since it has such a simple interface.

 

I also noticed a hiss after awhile(maybe a 1yr?). I can't remember, but I want to say that my 2nd pair headphones made it go away for awhile. The headphones are kinda fragile, and I don't think it's helped by the big connector which makes the wire bend a little more than it normally would. Anyway, like others have mentioned, the built in noise-canceling is great. It's perfect for the train. The one downside is I haven't been able to find any aftermarket headphones that are compatible. I thought about modifying a pair of noise canceling headphones to work with the unique jack on the mp3 player but that's about the same time I got a 2nd pair from Bic Camera. They'd already stopped selling the model but a salesman was nice enough to get one shipped from their distribution center and I picked it up about 2 weeks later. So if you live in Japan you can probably do this and not have to worry too much about the headphones falling apart and ruining the experience. Just in case though I'd pick up a couple pairs when you first buy it.

 

I picked up the accessory line-out when I bought it but I've never used it. I do kinda wish I'd bought the bluetooth version though. I think it was $20 more for 20hrs less battery life. I don't think I'd have noticed the hit to the battery life too much. Then maybe I'd have been able to use it with most newer car stereos, which would be nice. Not a big deal though. I think I really do get the 80-100hrs as advertised. Being in the military it's great since anytime I leave for exercises I don't have to worry about charging it for up to about 2 weeks of normal use. For normal use it's a nice feature just because if you leave it running all night and forget to charge it(like I do sometimes), it won't be dead.

 

 

I successfully repaired my first pair of headphones. I cut the wire in half, cut out the trouble spot(at first I could rub/twist the wire and it'd work normally, but without this I'd only hear through one ear), and soldered everything back together. It is more of a pain because of the extra wires for the noise canceling, but it wasn't too bad. The hardest part was getting the solder to stick to the wires. Another annoying thing about the headphones is that they don't fit well in other headphone jacks. If you hold it in it usually works fine, but it doesn't fully seat so if you let go it'll slip back out. I thought about cutting back the circular connector for the noise-cancelling that causes this but never got around to it. In the end I lost maybe 6" to 1ft of cable when I fixed the older pair. They'd still reach from my pants pocket to my ears but it was close(I'm 5'11"). I did kinda a hack job though so you could prolly keep the cable length closer to normal. You could also try repairing the messed up section, but that'd be a little more difficult than just removing it, imo.

 

I also had an iPod nano 4th gen for awhile but I barely used it because I preferred this so much more. The only thing I used the iPod nano for was to play movies on the go(or in the classroom or something).

 

I tried AppLocale with MOOCS, I think I got it to install but not work entirely. I didn't really care by that point though because I'd learned how to drag & drop. I used the standard program for about a week and wasn't too satisfied with it. Like all mp3 player programs it kinda blows. But it was particularly slow at transferring files because it'd convert them first(I believe to AAC).

 

Anyway, this is/was by far the best mp3 player I've used. It's simple and to the point and doesn't try to do anything besides play music well. The noise canceling is a nice bonus, especially for travelers, since you get the benefits of clunkier noise canceling systems without the drawbacks. While the headphones are fragile the player itself isn't. The screen got scratched up a little after about 6mo. so it lost its mirror finish, but other than that it's held up great. It's so light that dropping it won't really do any harm and the plastic case is pretty durable imo. The way the buttons were designed prevents dirt from entering since there aren't any cracks for it to get into.

 

Overall my recommendations: Buy a couple extra sets of headphones since you'll probably be using it for the long-term and the headphones fail first. Even though I like high-quality headphones, the standard ones are better imo when you're on-the-go or outside a lot, so it's useful to keep a good pair around.

 

Buy an extra usb cable. It looks proprietary to me and too often I've nearly lost mine. Then I'd be screwed when the battery ran out(although it'd still probably last another 6mo. of casual use :p )

 

I also like getting large sdhc cards. I'd recommend a 32gb one since they're pretty cheap now. That way you can put your music on it, put a bootable OS on it(so that if you're on the go you can keep all your basic utilities/files), and then you can use it in your camera too. That way your mp3 player can do more useful things than just be an mp3 player. I also put movies on mine too so that whenever I went somewhere I wouldn't have to bring a computer. I could just use someone else's and pull up my files.

 

 

Hopefully I can fix it soon. I'll try to post pics later of the disassembly since it seems like something was jarred loose.

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