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post #676 of 2281
I got kinda close to doing this mod at one point but I got a friend that wants my MS1s now and I might be able to use them to get a few things I want.... ahem in any case they remain stock for now.

If I ever get a job I'll set aside some cash for this though, since I've come to prefer my AD700s over them.

Oh and before I forget, anyone ever think of using aluminum spacers?

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post #677 of 2281
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Originally Posted by Philimon View Post
And the soundstage is very wide, but does not exactly have much depth and height. Instrument placement and separation also doesn't seem to be that great thus far.
Help is on the way!

We had one of our kraut meetings last weekend, and for that purpose I build 2 sets of non-standard distancers: One set with reduced height (11,5 instead of 14mm), and one bevelled set. You also see the black distancer on the pic, which is the "stock" one.



As one of our kraut participant follows the bluetac fixation principle with his MS Pro "Ultimate", we could easely compare the results with my "stock" Ulti. The bevelled distancers simply sucked (satirical wideness of soundstage), but the shortened distancers made a really nice result:
  • same amount of deep bass, but more kickbass (almost like unmodded)
  • more "Grado" energy with the mids section
  • more realistic soundscape
  • more realistic instrument placement
  • only downside: Loss of that special airyness that mod is famous for, you end up DT880Pro-ish or so in that respect
The guy ended up keeping the shortened version on his MS Pro, whereas NoXter and me still prefer the airier stock version (but not by much). It's a question of taste and genre choice.

As summary, the mod seems to be fully adjustable, if you want airyness (e.g. electronica and classical) you choose 14 mm, if you want more Grado sound and more soundscape precision (e,g. Rock & Metal) you choose 11,5 mm or so. I guess also something "in between" with 12,5 or 13mm might turn out to sound really nice.
post #678 of 2281
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Now if anyone can comment, does putting the felt over the driver as oppose to on top of the distancers affect the bass output?
I think the felt has no effect at all on the bass, no matter where it's placed. It only effects the highs (on the grill) or the upper mids (on the distancer).
post #679 of 2281
Any place i can send my MS1s to get them woodied and modded as such to the MS1000s? I'm about the least handy person with this kind of stuff ever.
post #680 of 2281
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Where are you situated?
post #681 of 2281
Continental US
post #682 of 2281
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Then it's propably not me, unless you are willing to pay a fortune for shipping and customs.
post #683 of 2281

25% off MS1i!!

For those of you still looking into 1000ing a new pair of MS1i, the Alessandro website is offering a 25% discount on all their online orders. Sigh, wish I had received that discount.....
post #684 of 2281
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Originally Posted by khii View Post
For those of you still looking into 1000ing a new pair of MS1i, the Alessandro website is offering a 25% discount on all their online orders. Sigh, wish I had received that discount.....
Actually, in the fine print:
"* Headphones, vacuum tubes, high-end parts, Working Dog amps, and
vintage gear not subject to online discounts."

=/

Still, 100-110 US is not too much to pay for these. Just got mine today. Sounding good but already trying to figure out how to build some spacers
post #685 of 2281
So what is on sale??!

Good luck with those spacers!! Wish I had the tools to make my own too. In the end, the cost of all the core drills just didn't justify it. Thankfully RDS was able to help!!
post #686 of 2281
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Help is on the way!
<snip>
Ah you beat me to it. I was thinking of building some beveled distancers and they were going to be exactly like you made them. You didn't like it? Care to elaborate a little?

Oh, any questions about the felt material/distancers etc. I used to make the distancers: just ask here or PM.
post #687 of 2281
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I was thinking of building some beveled distancers and they were going to be exactly like you made them. You didn't like it? Care to elaborate a little?
Tonality was OK, but the soundscape was totally torn apart into extreme left and extreme right, and there was no "shake hands" in the middle any more. The music just wasn't all of a piece any more.
post #688 of 2281
... and the MS1000 got an ugly peak in the upper mids.
post #689 of 2281
Thread Starter 
Yes, maybe, I didn't listen that extensive to the bevelled distancers after recognizing that silly soundscape effect.

My MS1000 and my Ultimate differ widely in repect of detailling & blackness, but share an almost identical tonality. I think I'll equip my MS1000 with "short" distancers and leave the Ulti stock with 14mm distancers, so I'll have one robust sounding gradoish exemplar and one spherical sounding "audiophile" exemplar.
post #690 of 2281
All the distancers I made have a height of 13mm. It is also what you state in your first post. Maybe I'll build some new ones with a height of 11mm and see what results I am getting.
Really too bad that the beveled distancers didn't work. I guess the soundstage of the MS1000 should be left untouched. It is good as it is.
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