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post #2221 of 2418
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One late follower, glad you like it.

 

I personally woudn't say that the mids are more forward after the modification, IMO they become more natural and better integrated in the overall tonality. And I think that it is vice versa, we have rather less amount than stock - whenever I put on a stock Gradessandro, I get really underwhelmed by the way the mids scream onto my eardrums.

 

To the bass, adding only more distance would indeed lead to a thinner sound. But as we are using the GS1K pads after the distancers, we get a (sort of) "bass lense effect", which does not only compensate, but also increases the bass layer complexity.

 

I still recommend trying the pad lining described in #1, the music coherence gets a nice edge from that.


Edited by nickchen - 11/15/11 at 3:57am
post #2222 of 2418

Hmm ms1000 really lacks that resolution to become a very high end headphone, comparing them side by side to say the HD580 (old), my friends' k701 and d2000. Really eager to hear the msu. Would it be what I'm expecting?

 

But no matter how much other headphones advance in their techniqualities, they are the most emotional pair of headphone that I have. Feels like they are screaming for attention once music starts playing. You just drop off from whatever you are working on and listen. Sweet pair of headphones LOVE THE MOD!

 

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Hey guys! 

 

Got the G-cush pads today and I made some distancer (about 14 mm, lined wall with Dynamat & wool felt and opening is 40 mm even) from Grado plastic rings from liberated drivers and I have to say that I'm very impress with the sound on the MS-Pro. I do not understand how come they sound so good because logically adding distance between ears and the driver should just get them brighter and thin in the lower region but no. The mids are just as engaging, forward and maybe even more on the MS-Pro, the High are just perfect no sibilance and the bass are detail, punchy and thigh. But the cream of the cream is the AMAZINNNNNNNNNNNNG eek.gif S-O-U-N-D-S-T-A-G-E. The instrument separation get even better with all that space. I'm listening to Dave Matthews -Some Devil album and it's just very very good. Just wanted to share this new discovery for me. Cheer biggrin.gif

 

*Update* The Trinity Session from Cowboy Junkies is sounding the best I have ever heard them before.

 

PS:  My wife was laughing when she saw me but I put the headphone on her head and she just acknowledged with a smile and she was convert.  wink.gif

 

Thanks Nickchen !



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post #2223 of 2418
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Want me to take a photo of it? :P


Yes please, and more than one...L3000.gif

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I don't know if it was the genre of music or the better separation/space between the singer and instruments  but the singer seems to come out in middle more clear. I'm also working on putting together a new set with Magnum version 4.0 drivers and will be trying the distancers/G-Cush pads on them.

 

For the lining in the pads I can use thin felt?

 

 To be followed....

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Originally Posted by nickchen View Post

One late follower, glad you like it.

 

I personally woudn't say that the mids are more forward after the modification, IMO they become more natural and better integrated in the overall tonality. And I think that it is vice versa, we have rather less amount than stock - whenever I put on a stock Gradessandro, I get really underwhelmed by the way the mids scream onto my eardrums.

 

To the bass, adding only more distance would indeed lead to a thinner sound. But as we are using the GS1K pads after the distancers, we get a (sort of) "bass lense effect", which does not only compensate, but also increases the bass layer complexity.

 

I still recommend trying the pad lining described in #1, the music coherence gets a nice edge from that.



 

 

post #2225 of 2418
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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post

For the lining in the pads I can use thin felt?

 


Don't know, depends from the felt specs. Pad lining is a classical trial & error thing, you should experiment with different textiles. I personally liked T-shirt textile with a bit non-cotton best...

 

 

post #2226 of 2418

I'm late to the party as mentioned by Nickchen but I'm here to stay & Rock the House!

 

Here's some picture of my MS-Ultimate and homemade distancers (build in 20 minutes). For the interest I used the plastic housing from old Grado drivers and added a layer of Dynamat and covered with a layer of wool felt.I also drill three small hole around the ring. I've used Blue-Tak to fix the distancer to the wood cup of the MS-Pro. You will notice inside the distancer and the front of the driver has a white coat. I just realized that the crazy glue used for the felt was not quite dry when I blast the music  (Could not wait) and the air pressure cause that fine spray of glue (I got my ears covert too). So please wait for the glue to dry first wink_face.gif.

 

* Enjoy the pictures *

 

Beauty & the Beast

MS-Ultimate_1.jpg

 

MS-Ultimate_2.jpg

 

MS-Ultimate_3.jpg

 

MS-Ultimate_4.jpg

 

MS-Ultimate_5.jpg

 

Not pretty but does the job quite well

MS-Ultimate_6.jpg

 

My baby girl

MS-Ultimate_7.jpg

 

Baby girl enjoying Norah Jones

MS-Ultimate_8.jpg


Edited by Twinster - 11/16/11 at 3:35am
post #2227 of 2418
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Wow, great post!    ...except the font... evil_smiley.gif

 

Yep, I remember that look quite well from the early days of my Ulti. I must say, that woodying workability study I did was a bit geeky...especially as the systems did not survive and I had to order new ones, which had costed me 200$...

post #2228 of 2418

Simon,

 

That's some nice work you've done to achieve the distancers in short order so you could get things up and running.  Very nice.  So, I take it you highly approve of the sound after the modifications?

post #2229 of 2418


I think I went to far with the font last night sorry!  It's fix now.What do you mean by "the systems did not survive"?

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Wow, great post!    ...except the font... evil_smiley.gif

 

Yep, I remember that look quite well from the early days of my Ulti. I must say, that woodying workability study I did was a bit geeky...especially as the systems did not survive and I had to order new ones, which had costed me 200$...



 

post #2230 of 2418

Yes Wayne I do approve it. It's a different experience from the classic Grado signature presentation. I had the AKG K701 in the pass and they had wide soundstage too but they sounded a bit boring. The presentation on the Ulti is wide but far from boring. I listen with more attention to the bass definition after Nickchen comments and it true that bass is well detail and layered. Loving it and I could see the MS-Ultimate compliment the Magnum very well.
 

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Simon,

 

That's some nice work you've done to achieve the distancers in short order so you could get things up and running.  Very nice.  So, I take it you highly approve of the sound after the modifications?



 

post #2231 of 2418
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What do you mean by "the systems did not survive"?


I underestimated how much steel wool dust was in my cellar after the finishing of the several lacquering layers of the woodies. And I underestimated the system magnet's ability to collect a good share of that. However, the system's moveability was reduced afterwards, hence the frequency curve totally lacked the area beneath 100Hz.

 

Living is learning. ph34r.gif

 

 

post #2232 of 2418
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Yes please, and more than one...L3000.gif



Will do, although will be tomorrow though.  I have a set of extra jaben cups & jumbo pads, I'll include that in the photo too.

post #2233 of 2418
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Will do, although will be tomorrow though.  I have a set of extra jaben cups & jumbo pads, I'll include that in the photo too.



DAMN...!  Forgot about this, but here is the photo, with my Macbook Pro on the left there. :P

 

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post #2234 of 2418

After my Olive MS1000 I have now completed what I consider a worthy competitor to the MS Ultimate. It is, as I call it, a Magnum Ultimate, based on the Symphones Magnum V4 drivers, a fabulous product that has the advantage over Grados and Alessandros that you can obtain the drivers separately and use them for your purposes.

When I compare the sound the Magnum Ultimates to my MS1000 I must say they are in another league. Simply fantastic, and if I only had the chance to compare them to MS Ultimates I would be really interested in a comparison. My guess is that the Magnum Ultimates would surely be on par.

 

magnum_1000_1.jpg  magnum_1000_2.jpg

post #2235 of 2418
Thread Starter 

I wouldn't be surprised if your Magnum Ultimate turned out to be superior. There's a step between the MS1K & the Ulti, but not a very spectacular one.

 

How much did you pay for those systems?

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