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post #16 of 42
That being the case, you have clearly succeeded. And I agree, to some, it makes no difference what the phones might be, but to others, a major difference. Perception is reality. I just didn't agree that generally speaking, there is no difference between a $30 phone and a $300 phone.
post #17 of 42
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I just didn't agree that generally speaking, there is no difference between a $30 phone and a $300 phone.
I agree. I just saw no need to argue with people who didn't see much difference between iBuds and super.fi 5s. These HA-F130 earbuds are no where near the accuracy of my super.fi 5s, or ATH-A900 cans for that matter (both $150 - $200 phones), but they sure seem the equal of PK2, which somewhat inexplicably cost $70, yet lack any major distribution and look like $10 earbuds.
post #18 of 42
Hmm, that comparison between the PK2s and the JVC Gumys make me want to pick up a pair, even with the $3.99 deal over (must have been one day) for the green ones. Of course, I have OK3s so I don't need any more buds. But then again, what does that ever have to do with buying something, especially when it costs $10 and equals a $70 product? This place makes me nuts.
post #19 of 42
I think part of this F130 phenomenon must be the "perceived value" thing. When you've only paid $10, your expectations are not high, and you''l be more forgiving. It's like that classic experiment where they give a person 2 suitcases of exactly same weight but one smaller than the other. Everyone feels then that the smaller one is "heavier".

Thanks for starting the thread. I'll go pick me a pair, too...
post #20 of 42
Yeah, they call it the "Halo" effect, I think, from my old psychology days. Didn't order mine yet. But with free Amazon shipping, why not, right?

Done, got the blue ones for $10. Pefect gift for someone who needs to replace iBuds, or whatever. I plan on doing an A/B with the OK3s I have, for sure.
post #21 of 42
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There isn't much a difference in some $30 headphones and $300 ones. Seriously, it's just a sound signature thing.

I have a $25 (Amazon sale) HD497 and the HD580s, and yes, the HD580s are better, but not by much. Head-fi'ers will tell me I need a home amp. Then when I get a home amp and still don't think it's much a difference, they'll tell me to get a more expensive amp. Then, when I get a more expensive amp, they'll tell me it doesn't have synergy. And so on, lol.

Also, iBuds are not much worse than say Super.fi 5 Pros, but the benefit of an IEM is that you get more isolation, etc.

Everything I say is in the context of a normal music lover. Sure, there are discernible differences, but for most, it isn't worth $100+.
I totally disagree with this as a normal music lover. First of all, you'll need a good source alongside a good amp. If the source is bad, amp doesn't magically make the source better. There is a sound quality difference between headphones as well as a unique sound signature of the headphones depending on brand and model.

Go and listen to a pair of 100-150 dollar headphones and then another pair at double that price with a good source and good amp. Going from a pair DT770/80ohm Pro to a pair of Darth Beyers was like night and day for me.
post #22 of 42
To my ear these headphones are OK they have way too much of a bass bump in them for my personal taste and the treble does get too peaky at times. I prefer headphones that suffer from sins of omission but I've been using the gummies for running and not for critical listening.

I haven't heard the PKs so I can't comment on a showdown. Price wise JVC has to have a huge advantage over a smaller manufacturer, Economy of scale is going to be so heavily in JVC's favor.

Something to try with the cheap JVC bud, is a piece of tape over the single vent. I'll leave it to your ears if you like it or not.
post #23 of 42
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Something to try with the cheap JVC bud, is a piece of tape over the single vent. I'll leave it to your ears if you like it or not.
Then it just changes into a cheap $10 bud

The venting on the PKs is what gives them their open, closer to a full sized headphone type sound. I'd played enough with sticking my fingers over the vents on the PK2s to glean that much. When you look at the new Sennheiser line, you see the same advance: vents - they're calling it "Basswind" but that's all it is, vents.
post #24 of 42
Burning in another pair of headphones (the Gumy)....thanks headfi... =)

So far, it sounds a bit worse than the iBuds with the foam inserts from the EC7. Huge midrange boost and dull highs at the moment. Without the foam inserts, the highs are harsh and mids are a bit thin. Hopefully they'll get better.
post #25 of 42
You could maybe try "donut foams" to let the highs escape a bit more?
post #26 of 42
Here's another low price ($12.95) earbud to give a shot if you're bored. Similar to the Gumy's sound, but maybe a bit more detailed.

Philips SHE2360. Note the "Bass Port"
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post #27 of 42
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Originally Posted by TickTockMan View Post
Here's another low price ($12.95) earbud to give a shot if you're bored. Similar to the Gumy's sound, but maybe a bit more detailed.

Philips SHE2360. Note the "Bass Port"
Since finding the Gumy's, I've been eyeing those (they're right next to the Gumy at Wal-Mart), maybe next month

I do know this much, you won't see me spending more than $10-$15 on earbuds any more. These are definitely good enough that any money I might be tempted blow on better earbuds should be saved toward a set of custom in-ears, the only class of ear/head phone I don't have yet.
post #28 of 42
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Since finding the Gumy's, I've been eyeing those (they're right next to the Gumy at Wal-Mart), maybe next month

I do know this much, you won't see me spending more than $10-$15 on earbuds any more. These are definitely good enough that any money I might be tempted blow on better earbuds should be saved toward a set of custom in-ears, the only class of ear/head phone I don't have yet.
I'm with you. I'm saving my money for a good set of full-size cans now rather than pricey earbuds. I've got a set of Etymotic ER-4P's, so for now I've got the IEM's covered.
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As far as Gumys vs. these Philips, I think I lean a bit more toward the Gumys. The Philips seem to have just a bit more detail in the higher ranges, which makes them nice for classical music, but the Gumys seem to have a more punchy bass with very minor damage to midranges, which I find makes them a better all around earbud. Hard to say for sure though, as the Gumys have more hours on them.

By the way, I'm generally running both of these amped through a Total Airhead, which they both respond quite nicely to. I've also put foam earpieces (Radio Shack brand) on both, which improves them in comfort and sound.

But, this is all just how they sound to my ears. Obviously others may have totally different experiences....
post #29 of 42
Well, this makes me not want to buy an Yuin anymore. I bought a IEM called Denon AH-C551 and I could really tell the difference between those and the Apple Earbuds. Any good, cheap earbuds. The IEM's take just a little bit too much time to put them into my ear. I also have a problem when I can't hear what people are saying around me. May be I should get those Gummy's too.
post #30 of 42
Well, after burning in the Gumys for some time, I still enjoy the iBuds more. Honestly, I don't think that they are as bad as some people make them out to be. I compared them (iBuds) to the EC7 and lose out a bit in terms of detail and separation, but the overall tonality and weight of everything is about the same. So I would say 85% of the EC7 is the iBuds. Using the foam inserts from the EC7 with a hole cut in it like a donut helps the iBuds a lot. Adds weight to the mids and midbass, tones down the shrill highs and just is very pleasant.

Now with that said, the Gumy is better than the iBuds with no foam inserts. Richer mids and tame but fairly detailed highs. iBuds are weaker in the mids and shrill highs. But once you add the foam, the iBuds win out. Everything that was wrong is fixed whereas the Gumys get worse. The mids get chesty and the highs are muffled.

So what I conclude from all of this is that the iBuds are not as bad as people make them out to be. Additionally, the limitations of what an earbud sounds like must be considered in terms of bass production (granted, I haven't heard the PK1 but just look at the price). Gumys are not a bad idea to buy to replace the iBuds if not planning to use the foams.

I'll continue to burn in the Gumys and see how they change.
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