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post #136 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:00pm
Maybe you edited out the last line of your post above to make it less of an obvious affront to Alex, but he must have quoted you in the process of doing the edit. You had removed the words "did well" from "someone did well out of all this fuss" and you had also removed the roll-eyes and the winky or cool smileys (can't recall exactly) but the rest of that line was still there. Really professional commentary, there.

Alex has already said his piece, but it is ridiculous to accuse him of being out for gain by attempting to enlighten potential customers of JenaLabs about an experience one of its customers suffered through. Alex was asked to post that information and it is all well-documented for those who are interested. Suggesting it is a bad idea for people to consider this information when thinking about a $1500 re-cable job is beneath you.
post #137 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:03pm
Nice bit of self promotion your doing by posting in this thread as well, Mark. Or did you forget that you're an MOT now who performs headphone mods for money?
post #138 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:03pm
I think everyone knows it's publicity for APS. I don't think that's a problem. However, your winking emoticons and other statements seem to be questioning Alex's motives behind this. Maybe it was just bad wording on your part.

-Kyle
post #139 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:05pm
So many people are jumping to conclusions and making unfounded accusations in this thread. It really is shameful. None of us can make a responsible conclusion or fairly accuse anyone based on what has been presented here.
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Originally Posted by jrosenth View Post
Hey Morph,

Did I miss it or did you ever explain your relationship with Jena?

Or at the very least why they happened to detail a customer's information to you via email and whether they know you disseminated it on the web?

More than a few folks have asked this - just wondering if you're planning on answering or simply going on about marketing with catchy little phrases?
Just because you'd like to know the relationship doesn't mean he is obliged to tell you, and not doing so does not warrant your conclusion or any conclusion. JL could know of the dissemination by reading this thread without his telling them or knowing if they know.

Other plausible explanations have been proposed for JL communicating with him and not the public, so you cannot conclude that he has some special or marketing relationship to JL just because they emailed him and he supports them.
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Originally Posted by markl View Post
Bingo!

Let's face it, this thread with its links to Alex's site and showing how he rescued a valuable headphone is a nice advertisement for his services. It's identical to the page Jena put up showing how superior her services are compared to the splice job done by another mod-er.

Now before anyone jumps down my throat, I've used Alex's service which was outstanding, and the work he did (which I saw up close while mod-ing the headphone) was immaculate.

Let's not be naive, though. Someone did well out of all this fuss.
I'm surprise at you, Markl. The fact that he seemingly will benefit is far from enough to conclude he set out to do that as his main motive for sharing his observations of the recabled headphones. You can wonder but no more. Naivety can keep you from the truth but so can cynicism.

Early in this thread someone asserted that one is innocent until proven guilty and then someone else said that was long since obsolete. Sadly it may be so for many , but nothing could be worse for relations among people or for obtaining the truth.
post #140 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:08pm
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Alex has already said his piece, but it is ridiculous to accuse him of being out for gain by attempting to enlighten potential customers of JenaLabs about an experience one of its customers suffered through. Alex was asked to post that information and it is all well-documented for those who are interested. Claiming it is a bad idea for people to consider this information when thinking about a $1500 re-cable job is beneath you.
For the record, there were no roll-eyes.

Dude, relax. I've got nothing against Alex or his fine service as I said. I'm pointing out the obvious to the previous poster who wondered what APS would gain by writing this up. It's the same thing Jena hoped to gain by showing pics of the previous botched job that was done on that R10. The message is-- we know what we are doing, the other guys don't, please use our service.

I'm happy for the poor owner of that R10 that he was able to find a solution and lucky that Alex was there to fix that precious headphone.
post #141 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by markl View Post
For the record, there were no roll-eyes.

Dude, relax. I've got nothing against Alex or his fine service as I said. I'm pointing out the obvious to the previous poster who wondered what APS would gain by writing this up. It's the same thing Jena hoped to gain by showing pics of the previous botched job that was done on that R10. The message is-- we know what we are doing, the other guys don't, please use our service.

I'm happy for the poor owner of that R10 that he was able to find a solution and lucky that Alex was there to fix that precious headphone.
Sorry, just a winking smiley and a cool sunglasses smiley at the end of the line you changed. Oh, and don't tell me to relax.
post #142 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:15pm
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I'm surprise at you, Markl. The fact that he seemingly will benefit is far from enough to conclude he set out to do that as his main motive for sharing his observations of the recabled headphones.
You're right, I don't know for a fact what his motive was for making it public (and again, he is 100% entitled to post whatever he wants on his web-site, and more power to him, this is a great case study that shows the quality of his work compared to some others). Any good business man would have done the same.

OK, I'm out, I got no dog in this fight!
post #143 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:16pm
The email morph201 posted, as has been said, is full of holes, which Voltron pointed out. Since Jena isn't probably stupid enough to post publicly, I'm very curious as to morph201's involvement:
  • Why email Jena with a concern not your own? Do you specifically have R10s? Had you already sent them to JenaLabs for a recable and were looking for reassurance that they wouldn't botch yours? That's the only possible innocent reason. Anything else reeks of being fishy.
  • If not the first, what is your business since, when asked your involvement in the matter, you only responded: "It is my business, that's all YOU need to know.."?
  • Is your relationship with Jena so close that they felt free to actually respond in detail about a dispute involving another customer (very unethical)? I can't imagine any company with integrity and/or business sense doing that with just any old customer, even a good customer.
  • And, as Hirsch said, did you get permission from Jena to post their correspondence with you? If not, that's a problem. If so, that's an entirely different problem.

Since the situation at hand doesn't concern you at all, but you decided to put yourself in the position of being Jena's spokesperson in a public forum anyway, I think these questions are fair, have been asked by others, and so far, you've side-stepped answering.


post #144 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:24pm
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Nice bit of self promotion your doing by posting in this thread as well, Mark. Or did you forget that you're an MOT now who performs headphone mods for money?
Hmmm, I mentioned the mod because why else would I have had the phone open to be able to see the quality of Alex's work? Also, under my title, it says what I do (placed there by Jude), so it's there in every post I make on any topic. If the mods find something amiss, I'm sure they'll fix it.

OK, now I'm out. Cheers.
post #145 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:37pm
Um, okay MarkL.

It just seems kind of tactless or juvenile for a Member of the Trade's contribution to be just that.

Just IMHO
post #146 of 626
4/24/08 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by Riboge View Post

Just because you'd like to know the relationship doesn't mean he is obliged to tell you, and not doing so does not warrant your conclusion or any conclusion. JL could know of the dissemination by reading this thread without his telling them or knowing if they know.

Other plausible explanations have been proposed for JL communicating with him and not the public, so you cannot conclude that he has some special or marketing relationship to JL just because they emailed him and he supports them.
You're right. He's not obliged to tell, nor can any conclusions be reached by his unwillingness to do so, other than knowing he's refusing to say. At the same time, he's perfectly willing to post accusatory statements toward the R10 owner out there, acting as a spokesperson for JenaLabs. His actions and motives do warrant questioning, and a refusal to answer why the heck he would do that without having personal involvement doesn't make sense unless he has something to hide.
post #147 of 626
4/24/08 at 5:00pm
Very fishy indeed the way he interjected and sidesteps what may be very pertinent information to the discussion at hand.

Also, no matter what someones motives may be, as long as it's not malicious and the info is factual then it's most welcomed. If we don't keep a check on how we're treated by others we're potentially subject to similar misfortunes. We've all seen the photos of the sorry state of the R10 when Alex received them. I certainly would want to know this prior to any business dealings I might have with a company. Any company.
post #148 of 626
4/24/08 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by boomana View Post
The email morph201 posted, as has been said, is full of holes, which Voltron pointed out. Since Jena isn't probably stupid enough to post publicly, I'm very curious as to morph201's involvement:
  • Why email Jena with a concern not your own? Do you specifically have R10s? Had you already sent them to JenaLabs for a recable and were looking for reassurance that they wouldn't botch yours? That's the only possible innocent reason. Anything else reeks of being fishy.
  • If not the first, what is your business since, when asked your involvement in the matter, you only responded: "It is my business, that's all YOU need to know.."?
  • Is your relationship with Jena so close that they felt free to actually respond in detail about a dispute involving another customer (very unethical)? I can't imagine any company with integrity and/or business sense doing that with just any old customer, even a good customer.
  • And, as Hirsch said, did you get permission from Jena to post their correspondence with you? If not, that's a problem. If so, that's an entirely different problem.

Since the situation at hand doesn't concern you at all, but you decided to put yourself in the position of being Jena's spokesperson in a public forum anyway, I think these questions are fair, have been asked by others, and so far, you've side-stepped answering.

You know why? It's because Morph IS Jennifer.
post #149 of 626
4/24/08 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by boomana View Post
... Since Jena isn't probably stupid enough to post publicly, I'm very curious as to morph201's involvement:
  • Why email Jena with a concern not your own? Do you specifically have R10s? Had you already sent them to JenaLabs for a recable and were looking for reassurance that they wouldn't botch yours? That's the only possible innocent reason. Anything else reeks of being fishy.
  • If not the first, what is your business since, when asked your involvement in the matter, you only responded: "It is my business, that's all YOU need to know.."?
  • Is your relationship with Jena so close that they felt free to actually respond in detail about a dispute involving another customer (very unethical)? I can't imagine any company with integrity and/or business sense doing that with just any old customer, even a good customer.
  • And, as Hirsch said, did you get permission from Jena to post their correspondence with you? If not, that's a problem. If so, that's an entirely different problem.

Since the situation at hand doesn't concern you at all, but you decided to put yourself in the position of being Jena's spokesperson in a public forum anyway, I think these questions are fair, have been asked by others, and so far, you've side-stepped answering.
As someone who supposedly wants answers you have foolishly done everything you could to assure that there will be none. If I were to think like you, I would conclude you want to condemn him now not give him a fair hearing. For instance, about permission to post JL's email: you say it's a problem, i.e, you will condemn, either way, so no answer is the only defense.

Just what is so obviously, inescapably wrong or rat-like about, let's suppose, a friend wanting to seek out her point of view, defend her and speak for her in a situation in which you admit she would be "stupid" to speak herself? Given your rule out innocence then ask questions approach, it appears to me it would be stupid for him to speak further as well.
post #150 of 626
4/24/08 at 5:51pm
I don't understand why we are starting personal attacks in this thread.

I think morph201 only had good intentions. He simply wanted both sides of the story before jumping to conclusions. Since he probably had a lot of time on his hands and is a JL customer himself, he contacted JL and asked them about this incident. I don't see anything wrong with that. Also, any email JL sent to him is probably as good as an email for everyone else. Since morph201 didn't have any specific involvement in the matter, his posting of the email shouldn't have any negative repercussions.

Also, Alex posted the whole ordeal on his site to not only get some publicity for himself but also to help Boilingfrog expose JL's poor practices. This is killing two birds with one stone. If Boilingfrog had simply created a thread in here, there wouldn't be as much of a stir in the community.
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