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post #1636 of 6115
Yea, thanks for jumping in while I was at work .

Kapton and Mica both have significantly lower thermal resistance and usually higher electrical resistance than the silicon-based products - both desirable properties in such an insulator. Thermalsil and similar products are not as good at doing their job, but they're a lot more convenient and can be more reliable since there are less variables involved. They also make products more conducive to automated assembly. I believe the reason grease is required with mica/thermalfilm is that these materials are quite uncompressible, so pressure won't deform them to fill microscopic voids - this can significantly reduce the surface contact area.

Whenever you're looking at a product like this, the safe assumption to make is that thermal grease is required, not requiring it is a major feature and it'll be mentioned for sure.
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Regardless it's a better safe than sorry scenario, I don't think using it can do any harm regardless of isolation pad material. I sometimes use it just to help hold the pad in place during assembly.
Definitely better to err on the side of using grease if you're unsure, but it will still increase the thermal resistance of the insulator. If the insulator doesn't require it, you're adding an extra interface (two, actually) and thus some thermal resistance - though probably not much, it's not optimal, especially since no-grease insulators are inherently less efficient.

Most if this is explained in much depth by Rod Elliott in his heatsink guide.
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Taken from amb's site, specifically the beta22 parts list.

By exclusion I take that to mean that if you're using either Thermafilm or Mica that it would be advisable to use thermal compound. And I trust Ti's advice. Regardless it's a better safe than sorry scenario, I don't think using it can do any harm regardless of isolation pad material. I sometimes use it just to help hold the pad in place during assembly.
Ok, Im using the thermalloy (yellowy orange plastic film).

Do I need to use special thermal grease? Or can I just use something like Vaseline?
post #1638 of 6115
vaseline? really? talk about taking 'starving student' to the max.

I think thermal compound is like $2 on mouser. You can get some arctic silver $5 shipped off ebay or some stuff from your local radioshack. I wouldn't use vaseline.
post #1639 of 6115
Completely unrelated to the heatsink discussion, but I've made a few decisions today.
1. In my 'SS' order from mouser I'm going to order parts for 2 basic Cmoys.
2. I'll build one Cmoy, troubleshot (if needed) until it's right. Build the second one (which'll be a mates bday present).
3. Then I'll build the SS with the limited experience gained frmo the cmoys.

[offtopic x2]I've also decided to get the Maudio Q40's instead of the Denon D1001s.[/offtopic x2]

If anyone has any advice on the 'SS' please post it, if you have any advice on the headphones or Cmoys please PM me as anything will be much appreciated.
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vaseline? really? talk about taking 'starving student' to the max.

I think thermal compound is like $2 on mouser. You can get some arctic silver $5 shipped off ebay or some stuff from your local radioshack. I wouldn't use vaseline.
Haha .
Well im in London UK, my guess is it would be more here. Ill take a look though. It's just my SS is always needing more and more things, I have spent quite a lot on it (~$120) before counting the tools I bought as well.
post #1641 of 6115
Is the grease used for CPUs ok? Something like this



It's very easy to find around here and pretty cheap.
post #1642 of 6115
That'll do fine.
Grease used for CPU's are probably better than the generic type, considering PC enthusiasts go to long lengths trying to squeeze all the heat from their cpu.
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Haha .
Well im in London UK, my guess is it would be more here. Ill take a look though. It's just my SS is always needing more and more things, I have spent quite a lot on it (~$120) before counting the tools I bought as well.
hehe. That's how it tends to be.
Those "extra costs" will go down slowly once you get building on your third or fourth project.
Are there any local electronics store where you live? I know radioshack, fry's, circuity city, and I think staples carries thermal grease near where I live.
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That'll do fine.
Grease used for CPU's are probably better than the generic type, considering PC enthusiasts go to long lengths trying to squeeze all the heat from their cpu.
Aren't some of the thermal compounds used with CPUs electrically conductive? You wouldn't want that...
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Aren't some of the thermal compounds used with CPUs electrically conductive? You wouldn't want that...
You're using a insulator, yes? Just use a paper thin layer
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Definitely better to err on the side of using grease if you're unsure, but it will still increase the thermal resistance of the insulator. If the insulator doesn't require it, you're adding an extra interface (two, actually) and thus some thermal resistance - though probably not much, it's not optimal, especially since no-grease insulators are inherently less efficient.

Most if this is explained in much depth by Rod Elliott in his heatsink guide.
Good point and good link, thanks for cleaning up my mess.
post #1647 of 6115
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hehe. That's how it tends to be.
Those "extra costs" will go down slowly once you get building on your third or fourth project.
Are there any local electronics store where you live? I know radioshack, fry's, circuity city, and I think staples carries thermal grease near where I live.
Unfortunately this will be my only project for quite a while (I dont need more than one home amp heh, and this is nice and small)! And its a pretty sweet amp so Im happy with that.

Over here we have a shop called Maplins, I'll check them out, but nothing near me, I have to go past a few towns to get to it.
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Unfortunately this will be my only project for quite a while (I dont need more than one home amp heh.
That's what you think.
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Is there any way to test these tubes?

One of mine doesn't seem to work.
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Is there any way to test these tubes?

One of mine doesn't seem to work.
... and when you test it, it still won't work .

Seriously, testing is only partially indicative of tube status. Even a Hickok and dynamic mutual conductance testing is only as good as the B+ voltage it was done at. Put the tube in an amp running at a different B+ and it may perform just fine. The true test is how it does in the amp. If you can switch the tubes and the problem follows the tube, then the tube is the culprit.
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