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post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
It's exactly the same on the HFI-780 as it is on the 700. In fact, I now own the 780 as well as the 700 and am in the process of totally redoing my 700 for comfort.

As a matter of fact, I was just recently thinking of ways to make this mode less ghetto, and I think I have a good idea. I'll put something up when I get the chance tomorrow, but I really have to study right now. Sorry!
post #17 of 25
For more permanent mod you can used evergreen scale models sheet styrene, instead of the carton board materials.

The styrene come in difference thicknesses...
LL
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
Yes, thank you, Acix. I was going to suggest something like that. I'll still draw something up, though.
post #19 of 25
Look like the MB quart pads will do the trick too...
Do you feel improvement in the soundstage with your mod?

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/rev...0-k701-249869/
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 
The MB Quart pads should do the trick, as should any other pad that is larger than the ear cups of the HFI series. I did not notice any differences other than the slight softening of mids. It would make sense that the soundstage would increase, since the headphones are now further away from the head. I don't know if it's the kind of thing that anyone would notice unless they were trying to convince themselves of an improvement.



I hope that picture makes some sense. What I suggest now is similar to what I suggested in my first post. The only difference is that there is no nee to make the adapter ring out of a flexible material if you don't mind opening up the headphone. It's even possible to do this without opening the headphone, but the solid ring would have to be made in two separate halves. The benefit of this method is that you can make the material thinner around the edges without sacrificing sturdiness.
post #21 of 25
I just ordered some DT990 pads. Maybe you can take some pics of you doing your 700's and post them up or e-mail them to me. Would be helpful if you could take them of each step, from taking the original pads off to building the rings. I'm yet to take my 780's apart and frankly I'm 100% how to get the pads off. lol. Yeah, I like that idea of the plastic more than the card board.
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post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mr Incredible View Post
I just ordered some DT990 pads. Maybe you can take some pics of you doing your 700's and post them up or e-mail them to me. Would be helpful if you could take them of each step, from taking the original pads off to building the rings. I'm yet to take my 780's apart and frankly I'm 100% how to get the pads off. lol. Yeah, I like that idea of the plastic more than the card board.
Sorry, the pics on the first page are the only ones I have of the process. I have since done much more and they aren't at all like they are in the first pics anymore.

To get off the 780 pads, just grab it somewhere and pull as hard as you want. You won't break it. Then, you will see the little crevice I described in the OP. Find some material that fits in there and make a ring out of it. Done.
post #24 of 25

Gave this mod a try

I gave this mod a try because like everyone else who has ever tried them, I was not impressed by how uncomfortable the 'zones are. While they're not awful, the pads are not fully circumaural, you can expect your slightly squished ears to touch the driver covers occasionally due to shallow pads.

I was using a pair of 650 trackmasters (mechanically identical to hfi-700, although I think the sound is possibly different). The pads I used were beyer 860 breathable pleather rather than 990, but they look to be of similar dimensions. Certainly these pads were circular rather than oval and much deeper than stock 'zone pads.

I used Mufto's helpful tutorial to make mounting rings. I found it to be surprisingly easy despite my poor cutting skills. I used the cover from a thick card file to make my rings and found the card to be dense and easily stiff enough.

After mounting the pads I needed to cover the drivers of the headphone. The 860 pads come with a small circular disk of foam for this purpose, compared to the very thin disk of cotton or whatever that 'zone pads use.

Immediately on using the pads I found two things;

Firstly, the headphones are much more comfortable in this configuration, less sweaty, less pressure on the ears and more depth for your ears.

Secondly, that the sound the phones were kicking out was significantly quieter and more muffled.

I figured that putting a much more damping material right in front of the drivers probably damps them. Pulling out the foam and listening to the drivers cover-less led to a big improvement. I covered the drivers with a bit of very thin tight from a pair of ladies tights (not mine!). Adding the tights didn't seem to change the sound from that of the naked driver, simply prevented the possibility of anything falling into the baffle holes, so success in this respect.

Listening to the new beyer padded, tight shielded 'zones led to some disappointment. Like Mufto, I don't like audiophiles exaggeration regarding sound and often far too much is made out of tiny, almost imperceptible changes.

Despite finding the new sound to be a significant step backward, I stuck with the 'zones in this configuration for a week, before switching back to the original pads today.

Changing back made me appreciate how good these phones usually sound. When they were beyer'ed they lost some of their body and detail. The midrange especially seemed to suffer on these phones and they lost some the great midrange detail and life that people enjoy in 'zones. Again, I don't want to exaggerate the changes because beyer'ed 'zones weren't unlistenable or rubbish, just weaker in some of their strong respects.

Having lived with them for a week and using them often, im convinced its not simply a case of getting used to the change, instead I think stock 'zones are simply noticeably better sounding. Beyer'ed zones never got muddy (and nor do the originals), but everything was a little less focused. I wondered if this might be partially because the driver on the 'zones is angled to fire towards a certain part of the ear, when your ears are more or less in the centre of the stock pads and that possibly adding deeper, wider pads upsets this.

I went into this mod willing to except a small amount of change to the sound. My reasoning is that generally people who say they JUST care about sound are kidding themselves or posers, what we want is a listening experience and part of that is comfort, audio lovers simply put SQ higher in the mix than normal folk. However, despite my pragmatic intentions I can say that for me, the loss of SQ outweighs the gains in comfort, my 650's are gonna remain stock.

I don't write this to 'trash' Mufto's mod, more to say that your mileage may vary and it might be worth thinking twice before ordering beyer pads specifically for this purpose. If you already have beyers, give it a try, you might like it.

So there you have it; an unasked for review, of a mod only a few people seem to have done, on a dead thread with atrocious punctuation to boot.

Happy listening.
post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 
Hey Fidelity_Fiend, thanks for the review. To tell you the truth, when I got my HFI-780 I didn't do this mod because I just didn't feel like it. Maybe it was a little voice in the back of my head telling me that I really do prefer stock sound over modded. Perhaps I will find a way to make the sound not change as much, since that's really all I want. The problem is that the beyer pads move the driver farther away from the ear than it was engineered to be. I think Ultrasone made a mistake in designing the driver to be so close. It necessitates the outer part of my ear touching the plastic grill over the driver, which, I believe, is the source of Ultrasone discomfort.

I appreciate you giving an honest review. I would be disappointed if you felt as though you had to give my mod praise for fear of hurting my feelings. The goal here is to make Ultrasones more comfortable without changing the sound, which has not been accomplished yet. Until we admit that, we can't possible hope to make improvements.
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