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post #16 of 39
im sorry.. osx is secure. i didnt realise that if an os can withstand hacking for a whole two mins means its secure. o and speed? please, you have obviously never used a xp or even vista on a good computer with no bloatware.

its not microsoft's fault that no other os comes even close to them. and they are not maintaining a control. like you said, its people's choice to cose an os, and the fact is that 99% chose it right.

and lets get one thing straight, the only reason there are so many viruses is that microsoft is popular. no one wants to build a virus for an os that a few college students use. people say "o look how great the i*** software is that apple has installed". please they obviously have never used a good software on windows.

and lets talk about maintaing a secure hold.. hmmm the drm music on apples that means that you can only use the ipod, or the fact that osx is only allowed to be used to mac.. no thats not maintaining a hold.

i had a mac for a year, then i sold it and got a normal pc. i got a better software, better os, better games, better connectivity, and better hardware. no i dont think osx is good. i want to be sure that if a buy a game, buy a peripheral, get a software, i dnt need to make sure that it runs.

and by the way, balmer is a genius. he has managed to maintain a brilliant profit, keep morale up (very important), and not to mention will eventually take over yahoo. (or should i say save yahoo).

yes, Ms has had there failures, but you are looking at MS vs the world. you cant compare a single aspect of a company. o look how google is better than ms in this aspect (which it most definately is) and look how apple is better in this one (which it isnt). look at it overall, and ms is brilliant. i dnt think that it is good that ms has a monopoly, but that doesn't mean i will switch to a third grade os just to make a point.
post #17 of 39
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its not microsoft's fault that no other os comes even close to them. and they are not maintaining a control. like you said, its people's choice to cose an os, and the fact is that 99% chose it right.
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i dnt think that it is good that ms has a monopoly, but that doesn't mean i will switch to a third grade os just to make a point.
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post #18 of 39
@jaska yea, just because they have a monoply means its there fault. ever heard of monoply by natural growth?
post #19 of 39
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please, you have obviously never used a xp or even vista on a good computer with no bloatware.
It's technically impossible to have Vista installed on a computer with no bloatware.

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@jaska yea, just because they have a monoply means its there fault. ever heard of monoply by natural growth?
So all the suites from Sun, Netscape, BeOS, Opera, Palm, Apple... sorry I'm too bored with this argument to look up the number of companies that have sued, over 'unnatural' business practices have no merit? To use but one example, the browser, no matter who you feel about the inferiority/superiority of IE, or even technical issues generally, you find no historical evidence of it getting on desktops unnaturally (well documented strong-arming third parties)? Really? It's usually better just to argue that's how business is done (ie companies should get away with whatever than can even stretching the law) instead of calling it a natural monopoly. Microsofts growth has been for many reasons, including many natural (open v. Apple closed for instance), but there are plenty of reasons to blame MS (and even more Intel) over their business maneuvers.

Course we can just use the search as this debate has been had over 100x on Head-Fi, not to mention more related sites.
post #20 of 39
lol, just what i waas thinking about osx
post #21 of 39
Gautam- Microsoft never convinced consumers they had the best product. Their strategy is, and always has been, to have OEMs preinstall Windows. Usually with strongarm contracts that barely (if at all) skirt antitrust laws. I do admire Microsoft's legal department - they have done an excellent job.

But don't confuse market dominance with popularity or even likeability. When was the last time you saw a Windows sticker on the back of a car? Few actually like the product. At my office (of about 250) Windows is hated every bit as much as the photocopiers - both have a nasty streak of unreliability. The mood is of resignation, because there isn't another choice. I find it telling that not one person on the IT staff runs Windows at home. They all have MacBooks or Linux. They just don't want to muck with something that's broken out of the box when they get home at night.
post #22 of 39
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and by the way, balmer is a genius. he has managed to maintain a brilliant profit, keep morale up (very important), and not to mention will eventually take over yahoo.
Yeah sure. All Balmer did was inherit a successful company built by someone else with talent (Gates). Morale is not up inside Microsoft. Most engineers inside the company see him as the fool he is. (There are a handful of guys who mistake Ballmer's ability to ask questions for intelligence, but those are mostly younger employees who haven't realized that question-asking absent anything else is just a way to cover up for not doing one's homework.)

There is a reason they promoted Ray Ozzie to the position he's in... Ballmer does not have the intellectual capacity to make decisions beyond sales.
post #23 of 39
ok... so windows asks oems to pre install windows. why doesnt linux do so (they have tried and failed). why don't osx to do it. oh they want to provide a "premium service". so in other words, lets make sure that only a few people have us so that its less to handle. right... that makes perfect sense. so don't say that ms as an os skirts antitrust laws. its their installation of ie and mp11 etc that has gotten them into trouble.
post #24 of 39
im sorry, but engineers are a dime a dozen. good sales people are not. he motivates them, and it is they who sell the ms. if only the engineers had done a better job.
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post #26 of 39
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im sorry, but engineers are a dime a dozen. good sales people are not.
*laughs*
post #27 of 39
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so don't say that ms as an os skirts antitrust laws. its their installation of ie and mp11 etc that has gotten them into trouble.
... gotten them into the most trouble. Tax evasion got Al Capone in the most trouble.

You understand how Microsoft rebates work with OEMs right? Intel used to use a similar technique (but in reverse) - you paid a processor tax not by the number of Intel chips used, but number of computers sold - destroying nearly any conventional business incentive to go with a competitor (if you wanted to use Intel in any lines). How either of those techniques help a competitive environment and long term innovation is beyond me.
post #28 of 39
it is assumed that is works that way. and why don't others offer it? and im not saying that it promotes competition. its basic economics, competition favours consumers not businesses. and long term innovation is a result of competition. although it occurs, it is not as good as with competition. so it is not their job to promote competition (and im not saying that that is a good thing)
post #29 of 39
nothing like good old fashioned trolling...
post #30 of 39
lol, ive been through this so many times, i could basically copy the same thing everytime. it is fun though. :P
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