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post #61 of 72
5/10/08 at 2:50am
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Originally Posted by n_maher View Post
Just for kicks, I created an overlay w/ the D5000 in blue and HD650 in red, pretty interesting looking if you ask me.
D5000 == an even darker HD650 (but low-impendance)
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post #62 of 72
5/10/08 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by Solan View Post
D5000 == an even darker HD650 (but low-impendance)
Why? The D5000 is clearly stronger in both the upper midrange and treble regions relative to the 650. The 650's lack of presence in these spots is what has given it a reputation for darkness, not its strong bass response. Bass 'bloat' is far more complicated than FR graphs can indicate, however in FR terms you are talking an excess in the 100-250hz range, not the 0-100hz range where the two headphone's response curves diverge. Therefore, in terms of 'darkness', the 5000's response curve suggests a somewhat livelier, more 'forward' presentation with similar bass characteristics.

I'd venture that the rising bass response of the 5000 ought to be a little more accurate at the ear than the hump of the 650. After all, the lower in frequency, the greater output is required of a pair of headphones to match the real life experience of such frequencies, as the bone conducted component becomes more and more important relative to the diminishing air conducted component of the sound in terms of our perception.

Of course, that's all pretty meaningless next to a good set of ears, but it does tell me that, given my ears, they are worth an audition.
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post #63 of 72
5/10/08 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Solan View Post
D5000 == an even darker HD650 (but low-impendance)
How did you come to this conclusion?
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post #64 of 72
5/10/08 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by xnothingpoetic View Post
How did you come to this conclusion?
From being a noob at reading frequency graphs?

I thought "dark" referred to strong bass, not lacking treble, since I hear the Darth Beyers referred to as dark, and their distinctive feature is not weak treble but strong bass.
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post #65 of 72
5/11/08 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Solan View Post
From being a noob at reading frequency graphs?

I thought "dark" referred to strong bass, not lacking treble, since I hear the Darth Beyers referred to as dark, and their distinctive feature is not weak treble but strong bass.
You read the graph correctly. Denon defiantly has a stronger, deeper bass- and both are indeed darker phones..

but your definition is only half correct. Usually "dark" refers to a stronger bass AND a weaker treble- the former being the most important aspect to be considered 'dark'.
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post #66 of 72
5/11/08 at 12:43pm
OK, so for example: Senn HD650 is darker than the Darth Beyers, since it satisfies both parts, even though the Beyer bass is somewhat stronger. That clears it up for me.
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post #67 of 72
5/14/08 at 10:54am
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I don't find the D5000 as dark as the HD650. You can have a headphone that has very strong mid-bass but if balanced with a rising treble, it will sound balanced. Taking the words more literally, "dark" is the opposite of "bright" so darkness has more to do with how the treble behaves than the bass.
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post #68 of 72
8/16/08 at 9:01pm
So, erm, I guess I'm the poor one here...is there a huge step up (esp. considering the price step up) in goodness from 1001 to 2000?
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post #69 of 72
8/18/08 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by jonathanjong View Post
So, erm, I guess I'm the poor one here...is there a huge step up (esp. considering the price step up) in goodness from 1001 to 2000?
It's definitely a noticeable step but it's not a GIGANTIC step. I still prefer my D2000 because it sounds deeper in the bass, and the mids sound more even, and the highs are just a bit more refined. There is a much smaller step between the D2000 and D5000.

I'd say the D2000 is the sweet spot in the line.
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post #70 of 72
8/18/08 at 5:36pm
Thanks, that was very helpful.
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post #71 of 72
8/18/08 at 6:25pm
Just one more quick question. Pardon the n00bage. Can the D2000s be easily driven just from an unamped iPod Touch? Whoa...it's double the price. I wonder if this'll keep upgraditis away for a while...
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post #72 of 72
8/18/08 at 8:48pm
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they can be driven unamped but it's pushing it. You lose a tad bit of dynamics (the notes don't hit as hard), but it still sounds ok. If you really don't plan to buy an amp, I'd stick to the D1001
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