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Bi-Wiring Question: One Flexpin or Two?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hello again,

I'm about to order a "ton" of parts to construct my first speaker wire for a bi-wired system and need some advice as to the number of ends I will need on the receiver-side of the wire.

I will be using the Monster QuickLock MKII Gold Flex Pins to use with my older Onkyo receiver. My wire will be constructed out of 3 lengths of Cat5e wire twisted together.

See Here:
QuickLockâ„¢ MKII Gold Flex Pinâ„¢ Connectors For Easy Self Crimping
The "Full Frequency Range Cable"

I think it'll be something like 12gauge when it is finished. That will be per-channel. (two wires to the woofers, 1 wire to the tweeter per channel).

Do I need two Flex Pins per channel or will all three bundled wires go into just one flex pin?

I'm sure it would be fine with just one, seeing how the source has only one output per channel, but I thought I would check just in case.
post #2 of 13
Thread Starter 
Sorry for the bump, but I figure this one got lost in the pile.
post #3 of 13
After years of playing with hi-fi i never once heard an improvement
in buy-wiring except in the looks department ,12awg will supply all
that will be demanded by any system up to 60ft.
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
ozz,

I've read tons of post for and against bi-wiring. Considering my speakers are set up for it and I am in the process of remodeling (and need to put cable in the walls before sheetrocking) - I've decided it would be better to have it than not. I mean, it can't hurt.

So, can anybody chime in on the connector question from the 1st post?
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by Mozhoven View Post
ozz,

I've read tons of post for and against bi-wiring. Considering my speakers are set up for it and I am in the process of remodeling and need to put cable in the walls befoe sheetrocking - I decided it would be better to have it than not. I mean, it can't hurt.

So, can anybody chime in on the connector question from the 1st post?
I don't use pin connectors because they have a reduced contact area i have
tinned the wire and installed as for my biwire statement if you look at it as
a circuit all you are doing is relocating the connection at the speaker that
ties the posts in pairs and making it at the amp/rec speaker posts which
will change nothing.The signal will still feed the full spectrum to both wires
leaving the internal crossover to finish the job.Now if you are going to bi-amp or bridging will give an improvement the latter more so.
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
ozz,

Thanks for info, I'll definitely think about it. My thoughts regarding the circuit situation are similar to yours, but if all things are equal, I won't be doing any harm by bi-wiring and would be set up for bi-amping should I ever take the plunge. (I actually think I'm subconsciously setting myself up to spend more money....)

Regarding the pin connectors, I'll be using the type that utilizes a flexible gold braid rather than a hard pin. They would seem to be a nearly-perfect full-contact connection (I hope).

Now, since I'm going with this sort of connection - should I use two flexible-pin connectors per terminal (Amp side) or will one connector for both wires suffice?

I'm sure in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter (as most minutia tends to be) But if we are splitting hairs I might a well be thorough about it.
post #7 of 13
I use banana's but as you say at this point experiment just be careful
not to short as some protection circuits don't react as quick as they should.
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
Just an update: The wires fit fine in the flex pins and the sound is fine. In the end, I had to solder the wires thereby defeating the purpose of "self-crimping", but I feel better about the connection.

Thanks again for the input.
post #9 of 13
I passively bi-amp my mains, but I'm a big fan of bare wire. I worked on a system not long ago where these Monster mini-pins where used and they audibly degraded the sound quality.
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hmmm, might give that a try. The only problem I see is that my speaker jacks are so worn that they don't like to hold on to bare wire, it just slips out.

Is it worth it to replace them with binding posts? If so, where would I look for the appropriate parts?
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by Mozhoven View Post
I mean, it can't hurt.
It can hurt your wallet, given that you will receive not benefits at all...But if after all those posts against that you seem to have read, you still insist in going this way, I will not be the one that will try to convince you otherwise...

BTW your speakers are not set for biwiring, they are set for biamping, that is different...if the manual says biwiring, I strongly suggest you to look to another manufacturer instead, following a marketing plug for sales, is IMO worst than beleive in it...
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by Mozhoven View Post
Is it worth it to replace them with binding posts? If so, where would I look for the appropriate parts?
Maybe, but probably not... I've tried bi-wiring, and I noticed a similar upgrade just from replacing the metal bridges with speaker wire.
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
BTW your speakers are not set for biwiring, they are set for biamping, that is different...if the manual says biwiring, I strongly suggest you to look to another manufacturer instead, following a marketing plug for sales, is IMO worst than beleive in it...
What is the difference in terms of the construction of my speakers? There are 4 posts, one pair to the woofers, one pair to the tweeters. From what I've read that will work for both Bi-wiring and Bi-amping.

As for my wallet, it is already hurt - but not as much as my hands after braiding 400 ft. of Cat 6 cable! (each cable ended up being 35')

Whether or not I'll receive any benefit audibly from bi-wiring or not, I think it is best to cover my bases, especially after all the effort I went though in constructing the wire. Adding an extra cable or two and a few connectors was marginally more work than I was already committed to. Besides, should I come across another set of Marantz monoblocks, I'll already have the speaker wire set.
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