Originally Posted by bf2008
To Mike - mmm, I'm not sure about what you say that "more people report sacd to be better than cd". Just google "sacd vs cd sound quality" and you'll find many interesting reports argueing that there's no difference. But besides, the point is not if statistically people can't tell it, the point is whether you can tell it! Also, from this thread, I think we've arrived to the conclusion that there are no audible differences between an ipod and a cd as source, so you may not even need a new cd player! I'd go to a hi fi shop and compare your ipod with hi end cd players, and see whether you find any difference before you buy anything. Also google "ipod playing lossless vs cd player". This same discussion is running in multiple forums and my conclusion from them is that people can't tell them apart, and even then, it isn't money well spent. Better start with the speakers. I'm sure there are very good ones for the price of the Marantz sa 8002 sacd player.
I believe I said it more like "people report that Stereo SACD layer sounds better than the Redbook layer of the same disc
", no?.. Where I got this - reviews on Amazon.com, on sa-cd.net, in Stereophile magazine. I realize that some people will hear it, some won't. I just don't think all who report difference are fools or snobs.
I do agree 100%, all that maters is whether I
'll be able to tell the difference/enjoy the extra benefit. Well, I know I can tell an mp3/AAC or Ogg Vorbis from lossless even at high bit rate, I did a few blind tests early on. I also almost always tell Ogg Vorbis from others, it is somehow (pleasantly) colored. And that's on cheap speakers and phones. Again, no guarantee of course, but I feel my chance of benefiting from higher quality sound is as good as anyone's. I couldn't tolerate much recorded violin or trumpet ever, until I got my K701s...
"I think we've arrived to the conclusion that there are no audible differences between an ipod and a cd as source, so you may not even need a new cd player!" - Hmm, I don't think it was quite that.
If there was any consensus in this discussion, it was that the actual CD-reading drive itself hardly makes any difference
. So, if you are only planning to use your CD player as a transport, using its digital out, then you only need a cheap CDP, or perhaps don't need one at all, if you will use your computer as a source and get a DAC. Note that I am not saying "computer or iPod
" - because there is no digital out in iPod, and you are stuck with whatever analog processing iPod has inside. It is not bad, but many people feel it (the analog part) limits iPod as a hi-fi source. Check out Redwineaudio's website. Yes, I know, they want to sell us their stuff, but are their customers and reviewers all just fools and snobs?..
Marantz SA8001 has a DAC apparently better than that in iPod, and better analog circuitry downstream. So I expect it will play the same Redbook tracks better than lossless on iPod. It also has an unusually nice HP amp built in - remember I was saying I don't have any CD player yet (except for that apparently broken Panasonic, which sounds worse
than iPod, even through $60 headphones)? and no amplifier yet? (poor me...) So yes, just as I was telling Steve above, I sure wouldn't pay those $900 if I already had a good source, of course not.
I also agree speakers are important, and indeed I saw recently a review of those really impressive looking JBLs for under $600/pair, and there are indeed some nice 2.1 sets in the same range. Speakers are indeed on my list, but they are low on that list for now. I've got a family, and it's awkward to play music loud. When I'm home, they are usually home too
Besides, for the same money I feel I'll get better sound improving my headphone setup. Some speakers, maybe, later...
I did upgrade the sound in my car, 3 years ago. Amplifier and 4 speakers replaced. Cost almost $800, huge difference compared to the original crap there, but not even close to what I heard through my K701s. Anyway, since I drive 25-40 minutes each way every day, that about does it for me, for loud listening.
I promise I'll write here my impressions once I've got that Marantz and an amp
. That may take a while (till Holidays, or maybe my birthday in October
, but we'll have to wait until then, because both iPod and Marantz will have to be connected to the same amp.