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post #61 of 113
My hf1s are very modified, but I think they sound more natural. Whenever anyone compared them to RS1s (and PS1s for that matter), they preferred my HF1s. Since I agreed, they're the ones I kept.

As to perfect, meh, I'm not that anal. If I can't hear problems, they don't exist.
post #62 of 113
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Hmm ... no LOG file from Max.

Aside from that - you have made me envious of your HF-1s
post #63 of 113
Man, seems like you guys are going to a lot of trouble. If you're ripping to lossless in iTunes and you have error correction turned on it double checks and re-writes until what is on your hard drive is a bit-for-bit match for what's on the cd (though the opposite is not true - a few cd errors have been corrected in the translation). What am I missing? I haven't found a glitch or an error that wasn't duplicated on the original cd. And they sound great. Actually they probably sound better because it's a more stable source than my cd player.

Tim
post #64 of 113
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What you're missing is, imho, the LOG file to tell you that your CD simply can't produce the bits it should anymore, and that you should perhaps borrow a better copy from a friend to rip, or something.

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And they sound great. Actually they probably sound better because it's a more stable source than my cd player.
Totally agree, though of course the best way to get digital music is to buy it online, at places like HDtracks, or even better, Linn Records, who offer better bitrates than CD bitrate.
post #65 of 113
The best way to get digital music is to take good microphones (say a soundfield ST350), a 4 track recorder (Sound devices 744) to a good concert and capture it yourself
post #66 of 113
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The best way to get digital music is to take good microphones (say a soundfield ST350), a 4 track recorder (Sound devices 744) to a good concert and capture it yourself
I have 100+ GBs of Pink Floyd bootlegs in lossless. But I must admit I recorded noe of it myself.
post #67 of 113
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Beyerdynamic: I used to own ... well still own, but they are seriously worn out ... a pair of Beyer DT801. The bass is somewhat exaggerated, but they were a joy to listen to Mozart's Requiem with; one of my true favourite pieces of music. Maybe the beefy bass helps the feeling of the death mass, of the authority? And they were ultra comfy, even for my wide head. (Despite a large head, my ears must be quite small, because my ears minus earlobe fit inside the foam on the SR325i).

Sennheisers: I just wish I could be distracted from the physical pain of wearing them. CLAMP! I couldn't concentrate too well on the sound when I tried the 650s. For all I know, the sound of Senns are perfect for me. For all I know ...

AKG: Never tried, though I hear nice things about them.

Audio Technica: The AD2000 look very nice. Never tried any from them, either.

PS: It will be Duet. After you guys started that upgrade talk, I realized that having a unit that allows me to rip LPs is of prime importance, and grawk has convinced me that the sound is more or less the equal of the Mini-DAC, so for this budget period it'll be the Duet. Then maybe other units, and maybe I should scrap my original plans of buying a Cowon D2 and focus on the non-wearable audio instead, perhaps putting those 150 dollars toward ... and extra pair of cans (which ones? which ones?) or a tube head-amp? ... I catch myself wondering if there are any tube portable file players out there. Would have been cool!

PPS: Well, I live in Norway, but will be visiting relatives in the US this summer, and that's where I'll be buying all this gear. Still time to decide; still time to have you guys to turn my head around. Big minus: Not much time to test the equipment, so I will to a large extent buy "blind" on recommendations ...

PPPS: I'm generally geared toward few but higher end rather than many and medium ... so my desired end result in 5 years or so is:
* Two pairs of complimentary headphones, one of them very probably a Grado (RS-1 or GS-1000?).
* Two head-amps, whereof one is tube and one is SS.
* A darn good DAC (which I might already have found in the Duet).
* A tube-based portable files player. I'm sure I can convince someone to tinker with --say-- a Cowon D2 and plug on a kick-arse DAC and tube amp wherever the output from the codecs is.
Also ... In 10 years' time I might buy speakers and listen to music in that awkward, social way ...

Hi!

yes, the Beyers are amazingly comfy,but also are the AKG. And I agree with you, the Senns's headband may be strong to some people (my brother just cant get used to it...)


I think I already said that the Duet is also a superb machine (despite mylove for the mini DAC ) and I am pretty sure you will love it for the hours of pleasure it will feed your hears!

So, you're still undecided in the HP part?... ... grab two different ones right now, plus the Duet, mind the amps later... my advice



(just out of curiosity, I guess you'll end up with a pair of HP1, some AT (L3000 / W5000) and maybe some K1000
+
GS1 and possibly a WooAudio
+
MiniDac or Belcanto

I hope we can discuss this a few years later!


oh! and yes, there is (was?) a tube portable amp from little dot! try to do some search around little dot tube-something... ...


Cheers!
post #68 of 113
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Another advantage to the Duet that I think about - It is quite transportable. If you had your tunes on an external hard drive, plugged into an Airport Extreme, your Mac laptop and Duet could move a reference listening system from living room to den to bedroom to back porch.

Can you tell I've spent some time thinking about this?

Tim

I guess the Duet only wins here my a small margin... the minidac is, also, mini!

sorry, I really had to say this...
post #69 of 113
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If the music ain't worth 20 cents to store, it sure ain't worth listening to!

Well, THAT! is a great statement! agreed! I do the same with my favourite albuns...


(however, let me just ask you a question... have you A/B LAME 256Kbps vs losless? for me, even with a top notch gear it is very very very hard to
distinguish! sometimes I couldnt)
post #70 of 113
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I saw that W5000 sells for less than the W2000 on amazon.com.

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(however, let me just ask you a question... have you A/B LAME 256Kbps vs losless? for me, even with a top notch gear it is very very very hard to distinguish! sometimes I couldnt)
It all depends on the music, and also the gear you use. MP3 is essentially a Fourier transform of the sound wave. That is, instead of representing the pressure in the sound wave at successive points in time, it breaks that sound apart into frequencies. If the music had been recorded that way, you should in principle get better sound per byte that way. Unfortunately, that is not precisely what MP3 is. It's coded over from the recorded sound wave function (which means it can't get better than that), AND (very importantly) many frequencies have been removed or lumped together for the sake of compression.

So back to the music:

I like old German electronica, like Tangerine Dream. Their music is to a large extent synthesized from just a few sine waves or simple waveforms that are reducible to a superposition of not overly many sine waves. MP3 handles that kind of music extremely well, since even the lowest rate MP3 can handle sine waves to perfection - lossless! I often can't tell 128kbit MP3 and FLAC apart for such music.

At the other end of the scale is music with lots of complexity in the higher frequencies. Cymbals are particularly revealing and sound "jingly" with MP3, and I frankly think even CDs lack for this kind of music; the Shannon sampling theorem does as far as I know only apply to pure sine waves.

But whether I can tell depends on the particular piece of music. But don't listen with just your "ears". Listen with your space sense. The highest frequencies are not really audible per se, in the sense of being felt like sound, but are more present in the form of a feeling of "space". That's part of why Dolby NR on the old cassette tapes felt like you were being choked by a pillow. Not because it didn't do its job, but because it did it too well: Some of that white noise it filtered out translated to a feeling of that space.

A test: Can you hear the difference? Bitrate test! - abi>>forums (I failed on one of them; the reason might simply be that I disliked the music, though. Or it might be that the white noise on Ghosts helped me identify the least compressed version.)

But I keep all my music in FLAC, ragardless. It would be a shame if I woke up one day and recognized the difference --either due to better equipment, because of getting to know that particular music better, or because of the "listening fatigue" you get from music of lesser reproduced quality even if you don't hear it directly-- and what is the cost of making sure? 20 cents! (OK, so I know people with 2TB "collections" of music on MP3. But really! It doesn't matter what format that music is in, because 2TB is enough for several years of non-stop listening without repeat. Good music is music you play over and over again to the exclusion of all other music for days on end. Just say no to MP3: It leads you into useless collecting habits and leads you away from good music.)
post #71 of 113
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So, you're still undecided in the HP part?... ... grab two different ones right now, plus the Duet, mind the amps later... my advice
I'm torn between the desire to explore new and expensiver HPs and a tube amp (Glow1? Woo3+ or 6?). My wife thinks I should buy new shirts ...
post #72 of 113
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So, you're still undecided in the HP part?... ... grab two different ones right now, plus the Duet, mind the amps later... my advice

(just out of curiosity, I guess you'll end up with a pair of HP1, some AT (L3000 / W5000) and maybe some K1000
+
GS1 and possibly a WooAudio
Both of those amps look good. I am considering Woo6 for now. As for complimentary pairs of cans, the more I look at the two high-end Grados, the more I covet them. RS-1. GS-1000. But some reviews indicate that PS-1 is the ultimate in the Grado department. But why make only a limited edition of your best if there's a market?

I went to the local hi-fi yesterday to compare my 325i with Denon's 2000s. Maybe it was the set-up, but the 325i won hands down for all music I tried. Not hands down in a super-superior way, but hands-down in the sense that the Denons were very good, but the 325i were none the less better sounding by a margin. The owner said he had compared the Denons to Senn HD650, and that he found the Denons superior; they brought the music more to life. I had listened to the HD650 in that shop before, and though the sound was fine, they clamped. But from how he described how Denons >> HD650, and how I found 325i >> Denons in much the same way, I think that if I compared 325i with HD650 for my ears, the outcome would probably be 325i >> HD650 for all kinds of music. I like detail and rawness.

So what might remain (aside from those Grados higher up the chain to drool at)? I had Beyerdynamics before, and their wearing comfort was just awesome! BT880 or 990 might be a good choice for complimentary cans? Or the touted AKG k701. But k701 supposedly needs a good amplifier (as do the beyers), so an extra pair of cans presuppose that I buy an amplifier. Frequency-wise, those two would at least be alternatives:



So ... and I am not too sure my wife can be convinced of this ... this summer might see the following new members of the family:

Duet >> Woo6 >> K701 ... and Cowon D2

If anything must go, I will probably drop the Cowon first, the K701 next, and if I must cut to the bones I will still insist on getting the Duet. Alternative options ...

Duet >> RS-1

or

Duet >> GS-1000

but I am not sure how that would sound, since I hear the GS1k are very demanding of good amplification. It's hard to be an audiophile! I just want to listen to the music, really, and forget the links between me and the musicians ...

PS: I am really curious about those Audio Technica cans. The W5000 looks stunningly beautiful!
post #73 of 113
Solan, you and I are in much the same place, as I'm almost certain to be buying a Duet, then perhaps experimenting with amps. But if the Duet opens things up the way I expect it to, I suspect amps will only add color (tubes), which I really don't want, or a bit of additional bass impact, which I can easily live without. So I'll buy them used, in hopes of getting my money back out of them when I deem them unnecessary.

Then I can spend my money on headphones, which is where all the dramatic differences lie. The strategy is simple: Get the source right (lossless files > good DAC), keep the amplification pretty neutral, play with tone and presentation at the business end of the signal chain. I'll be starting with my Senn 580s and Ety ER6s (they definitely won't need more amp than the Duet). I'll be looking for something in the AKG/Beyer neighborhood, I suspect.

Tim
post #74 of 113
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Good strategy. I must admit much of the charm of tube amps is simply that I've never owned one before!

I have a slight window problem you might not have: I live in Europe, where Grados and some other equipment costs more than twice what it does in the US. This summer, I will visit the US, but it will probably be 5 years before I do so again. So I have a very narrow time window in which to get what to a European are bargains. I must of course focus where the bargain elements is largest, since I could always get things via mail order (and add postage plus 25% VAT) from those who sell to Europe. Unfortunately, much headgear is marked "not sold outside of the US". (Amps seem easier.) As for DACs, the Duet is precisely twice as expensive in Europe, so that's the first component I'll buy.

As for lossless, may I taunt you: CDs are 16bit, and sampling frequency is 44.1. Some places like Linn and TDtracks sell FLAC (lossless) with 24bit/96kHz, and when you have the Duet you can rip your own LPs to 24bit/96kHz as well.
post #75 of 113
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Good strategy. I must admit much of the charm of tube amps is simply that I've never owned one before!

I have a slight window problem you might not have: I live in Europe, where Grados and some other equipment costs more than twice what it does in the US. This summer, I will visit the US, but it will probably be 5 years before I do so again. So I have a very narrow time window in which to get what to a European are bargains. I must of course focus where the bargain elements is largest, since I could always get things via mail order (and add postage plus 25% VAT) from those who sell to Europe. Unfortunately, much headgear is marked "not sold outside of the US". (Amps seem easier.) As for DACs, the Duet is precisely twice as expensive in Europe, so that's the first component I'll buy.

As for lossless, may I taunt you: CDs are 16bit, and sampling frequency is 44.1. Some places like Linn and TDtracks sell FLAC (lossless) with 24bit/96kHz, and when you have the Duet you can rip your own LPs to 24bit/96kHz as well.
I would definitley pick up a Duet while you're here, then. Grados? I can't do Grados, or any "on-ear" phone. I have to have IEMs or full-sized. There are plenty of good European amps, though - Graham Slee, Meir, X-Can. And does it cost any more to get Asian product in Europe? The Little Dot MarkV got great reviews here, and it is so inexpensive for a true dual mono design, it would almost be worth ordering one just to try it out. I'll admit to the most shallow thing of all - I don't really want tubes. I'm an old guitar player (old is the operative term). I love tubes. But not in this system. But I'm drawn to them because the LOOK so cool.

Still, I'm staying on-plan: I'll get the Duet in here see what it does with music and cans I'm intimately familiar with, then decide where to go from there.

Alas. Most of my vinyl is long gone. Besides, I drank the digital kool aid years ago. The thought of hi-res vinyl surface noise makes me shiver. I don't think sites like Linn carry enough product I'd be interested in to make them much of an issue, but I'll check it out.

Tim
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