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post #6916 of 9073
Makes sense.
post #6917 of 9073
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Originally Posted by feigeibomber View Post


My mouth is watering..
But one thing has caught my eye, why does it have 6 wires?

 

I have no idea. Peter is my senior when it comes to building cables and if you ask nicely, I am sure he would be able to address that in a manner that would be informative to us all.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

Will someone explain to me why some people spend hundreds on a cable?

 

Or thousands on headphones? Because we took a leap of faith with our hard earned money and the ends justified the means.

 

700

700

 

 

 

 

People who enjoy good music have the right to enjoy good sound regardless of what the norm is or where other people believe they should spend their money. It's odd how the TF10 thread spawns the most nonbelievers as well as people who have recently discovered the potential of audio cables. I say that as a member of head-fi, not as an MOT. I mean no offense to this at all and I believe that it's not my job to sneer at those who are less informed or close-minded, but as someone more experienced it's my responsibility to reason and educate with those actually open to furthering their knowledge on our shared hobby. I place no ego behind what I say at all. I just call it like I see it.

 

Bottom line, I don't impose anything to anybody and I wish for that to be mutual. Only then can people get along and come together to learn. It's the reason I'm still here after all.

post #6918 of 9073
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

Will someone explain to me why some people spend hundreds on a cable?

Why do people spend fistfulls on CIEM's and spend out on top of that for custom artwork / wood faceplates / engraving / glitter / glow in the dark / etc etc. All about personal choice and whats important to you I suppose. I guess what your getting at is that cables make no difference to SQ, but neither does a laser cut titanium faceplate on a CIEM. People still spend out for them.

post #6919 of 9073

confused_face.gif I hope nobody is feeling defensive about this, I'm not saying people shouldn't spend their money how they want to. It seems that sound differences exist but not huge ones that would justify the hundreds of dollars some people appear to be spending, so I was just curious. I can understand seeing it as a fashion accessory and a piece of art. The response seems to be geared towards "why do people spend money on headphones?" which, for me, is an obvious answer: its about the sound. But the sound difference in cables, while IMO it does seem to exist, doesn't seem to be significant enough to merit the price tags I see.

 

In the case of Chris's cables, and others using unique materials and special add-ons like the amber chin slider shown earlier in the thread, viewing it as an artistic thing is perfectly comprehensible to me. But why someone would spend $200 on a Moon Audio Silver Dragon, which looks like it could be a stock cable, is completely beyond me. IMO the biggest point of buying IEMs with replaceable cables is so that they will last longer, which, to me, assumes the benefit of saving money...but when TF10s run $150 on Amazon, why spend $200 on a replacement cable?

 

And really, no need to emphasize "educating" me when I'm coming to you with a simple question. It just feels condescending. I tried to voice the question as neutrally as possible; I am not being a "doubter" or "hater," I am just curious.


Edited by Gilly87 - 7/28/12 at 7:03am
post #6920 of 9073
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

confused_face.gif I hope nobody is feeling defensive about this, I'm not saying people shouldn't spend their money how they want to. It seems that sound differences exist but not huge ones that would justify the hundreds of dollars some people appear to be spending, so I was just curious. I can understand seeing it as a fashion accessory and a piece of art. The response seems to be geared towards "why do people spend money on headphones?" which, for me, is an obvious answer: its about the sound. But the sound difference in cables, while IMO it does seem to exist, doesn't seem to be significant enough to merit the price tags I see.

 

In the case of Chris's cables, and others using unique materials and special add-ons like the amber chin slider shown earlier in the thread, viewing it as an artistic thing is perfectly comprehensible to me. But why someone would spend $200 on a Moon Audio Silver Dragon, which looks like it could be a stock cable, is completely beyond me. IMO the biggest point of buying IEMs with replaceable cables is so that they will last longer, which, to me, assumes the benefit of saving money...but when TF10s run $150 on Amazon, why spend $200 on a replacement cable?

 

Oh no that wasn't defensive at all. I just handle myself professionally on here so it comes off as rather stern at times. I'm 23 and very light-hearted in the outside world if you ever speak to me. You're welcome to PM me and give me a phone call if you ever have any questions. Just keep in mind that I only answer things with my opinions, facts that stem from people and not data are very rare in this hobby.

 

Well here's the thing..

 

Some people LIKE what they have. They just don't want to mess with the process of playing hopscotch because sometimes in the case of IEM's upgrading to the next model up does not sound better for the money. Sometimes you have to switch around. For the people who general like what they have and want to further that love, they can write that kind of money off just as long as there is a quantitive benefit to it. They also look really good! People at the custom IEM level report improvements as well as the flagship headphone level. The TF10 is actually one of the IEM's that are the reason I became so popular for cables actually :)

Moon Audio is actually one of the affordable providers on the market. They have a wonderful return policy as well if you truly are unhappy and failed to hear a cognitive difference. Drew is a pioneer in the cable building field as well as retail audio sales and he still offers his product at what I feel is an outstanding product given the time he's been doing it and the demand for his brand of cables. When you buy a high end watch, you pay for the heritage and the quality. His prices have always remained the same.

I'm cannot say much more on the subject without the conversation becoming disruptive to the topic of this thread or sounding like I'm advertising, which if you could please understand, I'm really not trying to.

post #6921 of 9073

@Gilly

By the way, how was your cable test the other day?

 

Yep, I'm a guy who spent $100 on a custom artwork on my CIEMs. (Which adds up to 1.3k total.)

And I think it's totally worth it, So I don't see why people can't spend their money on cables. 

(Not to mention it gives you something to brag about.)

post #6922 of 9073
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

confused_face.gif I hope nobody is feeling defensive about this, I'm not saying people shouldn't spend their money how they want to. It seems that sound differences exist but not huge ones that would justify the hundreds of dollars some people appear to be spending, so I was just curious. I can understand seeing it as a fashion accessory and a piece of art. The response seems to be geared towards "why do people spend money on headphones?" which, for me, is an obvious answer: its about the sound. But the sound difference in cables, while IMO it does seem to exist, doesn't seem to be significant enough to merit the price tags I see.

 

In the case of Chris's cables, and others using unique materials and special add-ons like the amber chin slider shown earlier in the thread, viewing it as an artistic thing is perfectly comprehensible to me. But why someone would spend $200 on a Moon Audio Silver Dragon, which looks like it could be a stock cable, is completely beyond me. IMO the biggest point of buying IEMs with replaceable cables is so that they will last longer, which, to me, assumes the benefit of saving money...but when TF10s run $150 on Amazon, why spend $200 on a replacement cable?

 

And really, no need to emphasize "educating" me when I'm coming to you with a simple question. It just feels condescending. I tried to voice the question as neutrally as possible; I am not being a "doubter" or "hater," I am just curious.

Yeah the cable war you have the hardliners on both sides of the argument table. Firstly sound is a preference and everyone hears differently. I was once a non-believer like you, my first cable was the ALO SPC cable( Kinda spoiled it) for my jh16, and those jh16 owners out there know how much the jh16 lacks in depth of soundstage, the first  time i heard the cable, i was like dammnnnnn the clarity, detail and presence of instruments were astonishing its like a veil is lifted. However, my experience with LOD cables were different, i have demoed the ALO and normal LOD cables at jaben and honestly found no difference in the sound, or at least not much. I decided to buy a proper LOD when my cheap LOD kept dying on me and so i decided to take a leap of faith with chris and his LOD cables as i did not want to spend 200 plus on an LOD. Now what surprised me was that i have never heard an LOD change the resolution so much in my set up that i thought it was placebo and had my sister blind fold me to do blind testing. I use a GO vibe porta tube amp, the closest thing to it is the ALO continental. The only issue i had with the amp was that even though it increased the depth of the soundstage, it sacrificed the width of it which was very irritating. Cutting the story short this was what it changed in the setup.

1) Soundstage (counteracted the effect of the narrowing of the x axis of the soundstage and instead increased it)

2) Clarity and detail (Level Up!)

3) This is interesting, the Govibe Porta tube being a tube amp has a warm signature to it however it is really beyond my understanding how the LOD turned it into something cold and analytical (i am really not exaggerating this) could be just my amp in particular as i have yet to test it on other amps.

The best part, i tested these on my CIEMs using the STOCK cable. Anyway i understand where you are coming from cause i was once a disbeliever lol. This is my humble 2 cents on this argument and everyone is free to have his or her opinion, i mean no one any insult.

 

 

And on a side note i also wanna but a tf10 for my sis this Xmas and i am waiting for the amazon black friday sale say is the cable on the tf10 reliable as i have heard many ppl say that the cable breaks often. Thanks L3000.gif

700

And a pic of my set up the CIEM is an es5


Edited by iamdacow - 7/28/12 at 7:39am
post #6923 of 9073

Naw I totally get it dude smile.gif I work for T-Mobile and it sucks when I try to explain something objectively to people, because I want to spread the right info, and they think I am making a pitch...it's a crappy conflicted situation, but trust me I feel you smile.gif

 

Personally I experienced changes in sound with the cable swap between my stock TF10 cable and the SM3 v2 cable on my TF10, so I'm not a doubter that there is a difference with sound. But I have a hard time seeing the changes being more than marginal, and given that, when see some cables going for upwards of $400, for a $150 IEM...it's confusing to me. I guess to some its worth it though, and that's what matters :)

 

 

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Oh no that wasn't defensive at all. I just handle myself professionally on here so it comes off as rather stern at times. I'm 23 and very light-hearted in the outside world if you ever speak to me. You're welcome to PM me and give me a phone call if you ever have any questions. Just keep in mind that I only answer things with my opinions, facts that stem from people and not data are very rare in this hobby.

 

Well here's the thing..

 

Some people LIKE what they have. They just don't want to mess with the process of playing hopscotch because sometimes in the case of IEM's upgrading to the next model up does not sound better for the money. Sometimes you have to switch around. For the people who general like what they have and want to further that love, they can write that kind of money off just as long as there is a quantitive benefit to it. They also look really good! People at the custom IEM level report improvements as well as the flagship headphone level. The TF10 is actually one of the IEM's that are the reason I became so popular for cables actually :)

Moon Audio is actually one of the affordable providers on the market. They have a wonderful return policy as well if you truly are unhappy and failed to hear a cognitive difference. Drew is a pioneer in the cable building field as well as retail audio sales and he still offers his product at what I feel is an outstanding product given the time he's been doing it and the demand for his brand of cables. When you buy a high end watch, you pay for the heritage and the quality. His prices have always remained the same.

I'm cannot say much more on the subject without the conversation becoming disruptive to the topic of this thread or sounding like I'm advertising, which if you could please understand, I'm really not trying to.

post #6924 of 9073

I haven't gotten to it yet, actually; my friend works different hours than I so its hard to coordinate a time. It'll probably happen some time in the coming week, I'll definitely post the results :) I'll be testing on him, too, as he's both a musician and trained audio engineer, someone who would definitely be able to hear the finest changes :)

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Originally Posted by b1o2r3i4s5 View Post

@Gilly

By the way, how was your cable test the other day?

 

Yep, I'm a guy who spent $100 on a custom artwork on my CIEMs. (Which adds up to 1.3k total.)

And I think it's totally worth it, So I don't see why people can't spend their money on cables. 

(Not to mention it gives you something to brag about.)

post #6925 of 9073

The stock cable on the TF10 is rather poor. Highly microphonic with poor durability and they cost about $30 to replace. After having 3 stock cables go out in 18 months, I spent a total of $120 to get a used Null Audio Lune from the sale forums and have Chris reterminate it into a right angle Oyaide connector. Well worth it for the build quality alone. It brings the mids slightly forward as well, but any sound improvements are a bonus compared to the ergonomic benefits.

 

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And on a side note i also wanna but a tf10 for my sis this Xmas and i am waiting for the amazon black friday sale say is the cable on the tf10 reliable as i have heard many ppl say that the cable breaks often. Thanks L3000.gif

post #6926 of 9073

heres a new cable story for you:  my friend George Chronos builds custom silver usb cables for computer audio.  his best cable, which lists for 750$

COMPLETELY revolutionized my best headphone system, and let me hear details ive never heard before on music heard frequently.

is that worth  it?  what price is worth it for hearing audio textures and emotional meaning in music at a whole new level?  i say its priceless

and if you can raise the money to hear this its worth doing....

post #6927 of 9073

Just a quick question for you guys: any of you have a good suggestion for a cheap portable external DAC that'll be pretty hiss-free? After recabling the Triple.Fis, the hissing has gotten a lot worse. Will the FiiO E10 do the trick? Or is there anything smaller that'll be good? Love the form factor of the AudioQuest Dragonfly, but I probably can't justify that cost. Any suggestions? The cheaper the better. If it helps, I'm using a MacBook Pro (which is supposed to have decent output).

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Just a quick question for you guys: any of you have a good suggestion for a cheap portable external DAC that'll be pretty hiss-free? After recabling the Triple.Fis, the hissing has gotten a lot worse. Will the FiiO E10 do the trick? Or is there anything smaller that'll be good? Love the form factor of the AudioQuest Dragonfly, but I probably can't justify that cost. Any suggestions? The cheaper the better. If it helps, I'm using a MacBook Pro (which is supposed to have decent output).

I used a friends' E10 with my MBP... HATED IT!  It was prone to Hiss and didn't really improve my listening experience much.  It did increase sound stage and more details, but at the cost of a higher "grain" in the music and more hiss.  Not sure if the one that I was using was bad or not.  I think my old iBasso D-Zero blew it out of the water with the same files.  That had a fairly "black" background and did get rid of some of the hiss that I got from the Internal Audio Card.  I think that is a decent place to start.


Edited by WayTooCrazy - 7/29/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by WayTooCrazy View Post

I used a friends' E10 with my MBP... HATED IT!  It was prone to Hiss and didn't really improve my listening experience much.  It did increase sound stage and more details, but at the cost of a higher "grain" in the music and more hiss.  Not sure if the one that I was using was bad or not.  I think my old iBasso D-Zero blew it out of the water with the same files.  That had a fairly "black" background and did get rid of some of the hiss that I got from the Internal Audio Card.  I think that is a decent place to start.

 

I've used the E10 with several different IEMs and headphones and it hasn't hissed once, even with the TF10. My E10 is DEAD silent.

post #6930 of 9073
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

I've used the E10 with several different IEMs and headphones and it hasn't hissed once, even with the TF10. My E10 is DEAD silent.

I don't doubt the one I tried was bad. I tried 2 different USB cables and both sounded bad (this was feeding into TF10, Heir 4.a, Senn PX200-II, Astro A30, and Klipsch Image S4).  So yea, probably bad unit... They also fed it from Mac Mini to tube amp and B&W speakers and didn't like either.

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