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post #31 of 82
3/21/08 at 5:07pm
I see many people brainwashed by companies that sell $10.000 POWER CABLES and make flash animations visualising electrones that *distort* on a not-smooth cable surface. Its so hilarious!

It has been prooved so many times that 'audiphiles' hear no difference between a coat hanger and a pure silver 1cm thick $10.000 cable.... It has been tested many times on REAL ears.

But hey! if I spent $1000 on a cable, I think I'd hear a difference too. Just not to humiliate myself

good luck people!
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post #32 of 82
3/21/08 at 5:12pm
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If you want to jump on the mystical thinking wagon, fine. Everyone else keep in mind that the basics work great.
Never said I believed it, just saying what I've learned in electrical classes . I personally buy based on company reputation and how much green stuff I have left in my wallet
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post #33 of 82
3/21/08 at 5:12pm
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About the resistors in boards, as a side note, not all what you see in an amp, are in the signal path, you need to have them though in certain points, but most of them are for current and voltage control, or interaction between them, in the circuit...
But V = I x R, right?

Zero R means zero V, and zero V means no sound!

I was trying to make a point to the OP that resistance/impedance can't be avoided, that it's necessary in audio circuits...and headphones must present an impedance, or they wouldn't work.
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post #34 of 82
3/21/08 at 5:15pm
Experiments: Do Coat Hangers Sound As Good Monster Cables?
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post #35 of 82
3/21/08 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
He probably got a bum set of speakers. There can be a considerable difference in sound between one speaker and another, even of the same model. Much more than the difference between different wires.

See ya
Steve
Likely, and probably the case...which makes this whole wire/cable debate that much more "fun".
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post #36 of 82
3/22/08 at 12:21am
What's the point of big fat thick high quality cables?

To impress your friends.
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post #37 of 82
3/22/08 at 9:58am
This topic reminds me of the new truck I'm hot rodding. OK I know there will be bottle necks along the way. Example- To make more power, you need more air flow. So I start with the air intake and make it bigger. Then it goes threw Throttle body which I make bigger. Then after it goes threw the engine, it goes threw my new headers which are bigger. Now comes the bottleneck (the cats) But after the cats it goes to the rest of the new BIG exaust system. Did the bottleneck stop all my power upgrades? NO NO NO. I now have lots of new power and the dyno and or track times prove it. So to me even if you have a bottleneck somewere, I think you should still make any other place you can flow the best it can. This may not apply to electronics, but I think from so many EARS out there, IT MUST. (now SHOOT me down)
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post #38 of 82
3/22/08 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by charlie1 View Post
This topic reminds me of the new truck I'm hot rodding. OK I know there will be bottle necks along the way. Example- To make more power, you need more air flow. So I start with the air intake and make it bigger. Then it goes threw Throttle body which I make bigger. Then after it goes threw the engine, it goes threw my new headers which are bigger. Now comes the bottleneck (the cats) But after the cats it goes to the rest of the new BIG exaust system. Did the bottleneck stop all my power upgrades? NO NO NO. I now have lots of new power and the dyno and or track times prove it. So to me even if you have a bottleneck somewere, I think you should still make any other place you can flow the best it can. This may not apply to electronics, but I think from so many EARS out there, IT MUST. (now SHOOT me down)
you see the difference can be measurable as you said by dyno and stopwatch

i believe the argument of cable nay sayers is that the differences in cables can't be measured
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post #39 of 82
3/22/08 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by d-cee View Post
you see the difference can be measurable as you said by dyno and stopwatch

i believe the argument of cable nay sayers is that the differences in cables can't be measured
I understand what your saying here, but it's kind of like the BURN IN thing. Two days ago I bought a JENA LABS FUGUE interconect, hooked it up, (sounded sick- bad- no good) but after just 24 hrs burn in, it sounds GREAT. The differance is not my imagination. I'm talking from mad to in love. What happened??? I think when you use great cables, the same thing happens. I know (I) here a differance. Quality, no matter were in the chain you put it helps. IMO
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post #40 of 82
3/22/08 at 2:15pm
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I understand what your saying here, but it's kind of like the BURN IN thing. Two days ago I bought a JENA LABS FUGUE interconect, hooked it up, (sounded sick- bad- no good) but after just 24 hrs burn in, it sounds GREAT. The differance is not my imagination. I'm talking from mad to in love. What happened??? I think when you use great cables, the same thing happens. I know (I) here a differance. Quality, no matter were in the chain you put it helps. IMO
Sorry to water your soup, but the difference should be in your mind, there is no such a thing of "burn in" in cables, cooper is cooper and will be copper for its entire life, same as any other material there is nothing absolutely nothing that can be changed overtime with the use in a conductor, the only things that benefit from burn in are electro-mechanical and mechanical parts...Do not underestimate the importance of the placebo effect and the brain in all processes, IMO you simply get used to the new sound, and period, change back to the original conductors and listen for a while and them come back and most likely that you will notice the same effect...
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post #41 of 82
3/22/08 at 2:20pm
From one of the NY meets.....




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post #42 of 82
3/22/08 at 2:27pm
if only scientists / engineers could come up with a device similar to a "dyno" for measuring the "performance" in audio setup and such.

buy a new cable / put in a new tube / whatever
hook up the "dyno"
wow!!!



i guess that would be the day..........................
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post #43 of 82
3/22/08 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Sorry to water your soup, but the difference should be in your mind, there is no such a thing of "burn in" in cables, cooper is cooper and will be copper for its entire life, same as any other material there is nothing absolutely nothing that can be changed overtime with the use in a conductor, the only things that benefit from burn in are electro-mechanical and mechanical parts...Do not underestimate the importance of the placebo effect and the brain in all processes, IMO you simply get used to the new sound, and period, change back to the original conductors and listen for a while and them come back and most likely that you will notice the same effect...
I hope the placebo effect stops working because although I know you have nothing to do with ULTRASONE, I would hate to think my JENA CRYO cabled EDITION 9s sound so good from some PLACEBO effect.(My wallet is sad if true)
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post #44 of 82
3/22/08 at 3:16pm
Ofcourse it can be mesured god damnit. People fly to the moon and you think that we cant diagnose electron flow over copper or silver? Cable maniacs are a deaf crowd that doesnt listen to anything and says the same **** all over again.

There is no hope.
Experiments: Do Coat Hangers Sound As Good Monster Cables? - read this for Christs sake. Cant you people read???
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post #45 of 82
3/22/08 at 3:43pm
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I hope the placebo effect stops working because although I know you have nothing to do with ULTRASONE, I would hate to think my JENA CRYO cabled EDITION 9s sound so good from some PLACEBO effect.(My wallet is sad if true)
I have heard a few recabled Editions (same as a few recabled CD3K's) with cables that are considered fat better than cryo Jena by the audiophiles (BTW not by me) even with some custom silver ordered cables, side by side in my home setup, and trust me that I have heard no difference among them!!! All you have to do is listen two pairs one recabled an one stock side by side, do not tell me how they sounded two months before being recabled, that is completely inaccurate, just get another stock pair, and compare them side by side in a fully DBT...That is the only accurate way of determine the differences, if any between them

Most of the times people compare the recabled headphone with ones they heard 6 months ago, how they are going to remember how they sounded unless they have two pairs!!!
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