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post #16 of 25
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Ok, so I spent some more time checking out some 1911's today and am about 95% on the Operator. I may pop for a trigger job to get it down to about 3.75 lbs but I really like the feel of it. I think it will be a good first 1911 for me and if I really end up loving it I can always move up into a Nighthawk, Wilson, or Rock River down the road.

As for the AR I held a a Stag today which had a really nice weight and felt pretty much like my buddy's Bushy. I held the Sig again which was a pig but damn the trigger on that thing was so much smoother and lighter than the Stag. According to Sig's site the SWAT model is 1 lb lighter and comes with some other nice features too. If there is anyone here in the Bay Area that has one shoot me a PM, I'd really love to hook up with you at a range and check it out.
post #17 of 25
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According to Sig's site the SWAT model is 1 lb lighter and comes with some other nice features too. If there is anyone here in the Bay Area that has one shoot me a PM, I'd really love to hook up with you at a range and check it out.
Meh, SWAT version is still a pig. But I agree on the trigger action, but thats why I love sigarms.
post #18 of 25
If you're not going to carry it any distance, weight probably is an advantage. It's just when you plan on walking 20 miles with a rifle at the ready that you start to appreciate 5 vs 7 lbs. Or standing with your arm outstretched, holding a barrel...

My AR15 is a safe queen these days.
post #19 of 25
I owned a 556 and then moved to a Robinson Arms XCR. Mostly for the ability to switch out calibers and get decent priced short barrels. I think both operate a lot more smoothly than your common AR while I liked the function of the XCR better.

The trigger is better on the Sig. Both guns will shoot all day and pile the empties up in a nice stack off to my side. Adjusting the gas also makes for a much more reliable suppressed weapon if you ever live somewhere that you can try that.

I didn't like the foregrip of the Sig or the XCR but I added some rail grips to the XCR and it is comfortable now. I have several thousand through the XCR and put around 1.5k through the Sig without any problems and I never really did any cleaning except the barrels. I never cleaned the carbon system and found the gun to function reliably regardless of cleanliness.

All that said I have Rock River AR's and find them to be a bit clunkier in operation and a little bit less accurate but I think they are 98% of the Sig/XCR gun for 60% of the price. Also make sure you check out accessories like slings, etc. as you may run into interoperability there with off the shelf AR gear.

As far as the Operator, I own a TRP along with several 2+k dollar 1911s but I consider the TRP to be just as good as the higher end guns. I use it for some competitions and I easily have put 10k rounds through it from new without a single misfire.

Also I avoid rails on a 1911 whenever possible as it seems to mess with balance and makes holsters much more difficult. The ability to mount a light loses interest pretty quickly to me so I prefer non-operator. I also do not like the grips on the Operator you have pictured. Wood or maybe alumigrips is the only way to go in my book.
post #20 of 25
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I owned a 556 and then moved to a Robinson Arms XCR. Mostly for the ability to switch out calibers and get decent priced short barrels. I think both operate a lot more smoothly than your common AR while I liked the function of the XCR better.

The trigger is better on the Sig. Both guns will shoot all day and pile the empties up in a nice stack off to my side. Adjusting the gas also makes for a much more reliable suppressed weapon if you ever live somewhere that you can try that.

I didn't like the foregrip of the Sig or the XCR but I added some rail grips to the XCR and it is comfortable now. I have several thousand through the XCR and put around 1.5k through the Sig without any problems and I never really did any cleaning except the barrels. I never cleaned the carbon system and found the gun to function reliably regardless of cleanliness.

All that said I have Rock River AR's and find them to be a bit clunkier in operation and a little bit less accurate but I think they are 98% of the Sig/XCR gun for 60% of the price. Also make sure you check out accessories like slings, etc. as you may run into interoperability there with off the shelf AR gear.

As far as the Operator, I own a TRP along with several 2+k dollar 1911s but I consider the TRP to be just as good as the higher end guns. I use it for some competitions and I easily have put 10k rounds through it from new without a single misfire.

Also I avoid rails on a 1911 whenever possible as it seems to mess with balance and makes holsters much more difficult. The ability to mount a light loses interest pretty quickly to me so I prefer non-operator. I also do not like the grips on the Operator you have pictured. Wood or maybe alumigrips is the only way to go in my book.
Good to know, I was looking at Rock River and thinking about doing my first build. I don't think time is on my side as the CA DOJ jury is out on the bullet button and I've been hearing "get them while you can". The trigger and gas piston are the main things pushing me towards the Sig but I know they are charging for that and their name.

I'd love to get a TRP, that was actually my first choice after all the great stuff I'd read on it but the new cost was out of my price range. I guess it will depend on what rifle I end up with and how much it costs. I actually like the grips and the balance on the Operator. I fondled a SA Trophy Match and did not care for how fine the front strap checkering was. This is the area where I like some of Kimber of Fusion's offerings.

grawk - Because of where I live I'd never be carrying it far unless I went on some backpacking excursion out in Tahoe's desolation wilderness. Mostly this will be range, camping can plinking, and home defense.

The things I'm looking for are low maint, high reliability, good accuracy between 100-300 yards, and of course the usual tacticool options - quad rail forearm, adjustable or folding buttstock, and eventually a harris bipod and decent ACOG.
post #21 of 25
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grawk - Because of where I live I'd never be carrying it far unless I went on some backpacking excursion out in Tahoe's desolation wilderness. Mostly this will be range, camping can plinking, and home defense.

A bit of my advice. Unless you regullarly go to the range with a specific weapon AND do practice drills with the weapon (ie draw & fire, down-ups & fire, etc....which most public ranges will not let you do) do NOT think a weapone you own is good for home defense.

A handgun or rifle without constant training is a LOUSY home defense weapon. Go get a nice pump action 12 gauge. Its the middle of the night and dark, can you wake up, aim and shoot? With a 12 gauge you don't have too!

Even I own a 12 gauge for home defense. First load is rock salt, second is buckshot. My version of a shot across the bow
post #22 of 25
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A bit of my advice. Unless you regullarly go to the range with a specific weapon AND do practice drills with the weapon (ie draw & fire, down-ups & fire, etc....which most public ranges will not let you do) do NOT think a weapone you own is good for home defense.

A handgun or rifle without constant training is a LOUSY home defense weapon. Go get a nice pump action 12 gauge. Its the middle of the night and dark, can you wake up, aim and shoot? With a 12 gauge you don't have too!

Even I own a 12 gauge for home defense. First load is rock salt, second is buckshot. My version of a shot across the bow
I hear ya, I have a Mossberg 500 and night sights on my HK. I've actually been thinking about taking one of the training courses offered by Front Sight Firearms Training Institute which is about an hour from where I live. I'm really wanting to shoot on a regular basis for fun as well as to hone my feeble skills

edit - I don't know that I really agree with your statement but I'd rather not turn this thread into "one of those" debates.
post #23 of 25
Wakeride - haha good man. I have seen the end results of people who thought that a handgun or rifle was good for home defense but didn't train with the thing. You are on the right track if you take any kind of training.

Regardless of use everyone should train with and use their firearms. Safety first kids


Back on topic go witht he operator, you won't regret it.

Heres to clear windless days an open range and plenty of ammo!!
post #24 of 25
John Gangle/JP Performance makes an AR trigger that is just about a drop in but has adjustable overtravel, lowers the pull weight, and breaks without creep just like a glass rod. Check with Brownell's.
post #25 of 25
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John Gangle/JP Performance makes an AR trigger that is just about a drop in but has adjustable overtravel, lowers the pull weight, and breaks without creep just like a glass rod. Check with Brownell's.
Thanks I'll look into that. I'm debating on buying the Sig or doing my own build... looking at CMMG and Rock River but damn you can get lost in all the AR parts from various sources out there.

kydsid - I think I will unless I find a screamin deal on a TRP.
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