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post #106 of 117
7/6/08 at 9:01am
I think you're misunderstanding me. The fact that you do indeed say "there is something new in the system," means that they are much more likely to look for, and even subconsciously fabricate, perceptions.

Also, let's not forget that the test is still subjective because it's not double blind. You, as the administrator of the test, still have access to the equipment and thus can still inject subjectivity into the methodology. On top of that, the test isn't ABX, so it's impossible to tell whether or not they could reliably tell which is which during the test.

I'm not playing "every single card trying to deny that cable have any effect at all [sic]". I'm trying to show you how your methodology about determining whether or not cables do or do not have any effect at all is flawed. Sure I want to investigate the matter, but not in a haphazard, informal, and subjective manner. That's not gonna do anything other than obfuscate results.
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post #107 of 117
7/6/08 at 10:33am
You still didn't read what I was writing, eh? I never said there's one listening session at a time, there are multiple listening sessions every time we try out something new, where the person doing the evaluation never know WHEN it is placed in, or if it was ever introduced at all.

That's what we call A/B testing, or are you unable to see that when you do A/B testing, you test more than just one configuration and tell the difference if there are differences to be told?


Please stop trying to pretend that you are unable to read my messages... Please...
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post #108 of 117
7/6/08 at 12:05pm
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TV, Amps, player and a few other items combined can easily reach 600W, and if you use something like a power bar, then that means all 600W will be routed through ONE outlet.


600W is not a heavy load as of yet, I'd consider 1000W or above as heavy, and oh, most hair dryer uses 700W and up.
You ignored the argument. I win!
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post #109 of 117
7/6/08 at 12:20pm
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You still didn't read what I was writing, eh? I never said there's one listening session at a time, there are multiple listening sessions every time we try out something new, where the person doing the evaluation never know WHEN it is placed in, or if it was ever introduced at all.
Really? You have listening sessions where you haven't changed anything, and they always know when they're listening to the same rig vs. a different power cable?

If you're trying to simply win an argument, I'll let you. I honestly don't care. I do know that I'm not naive enough to believe that, through three different revisions of a scenario (just because you accuse me of not reading what you wrote doesn't mean that you haven't changed your story three times), some story on an internet forum without some proof. Surely if you're able to do all of what you say you can easily do an ABX, right?

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence.

BTW, before you accuse other people of not reading your own posts, you should probably read theirs:

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Also, let's not forget that the test is still subjective because it's not double blind. You, as the administrator of the test, still have access to the equipment and thus can still inject subjectivity into the methodology. On top of that, the test isn't ABX, so it's impossible to tell whether or not they could reliably tell which is which during the test.
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post #110 of 117
7/6/08 at 1:13pm
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You ignored the argument. I win!
You won what? You still have not shown any proof of your theories or experiments showing that it could happen.
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post #111 of 117
7/6/08 at 1:21pm
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Really? You have listening sessions where you haven't changed anything, and they always know when they're listening to the same rig vs. a different power cable?

If you're trying to simply win an argument, I'll let you. I honestly don't care. I do know that I'm not naive enough to believe that, through three different revisions of a scenario (just because you accuse me of not reading what you wrote doesn't mean that you haven't changed your story three times), some story on an internet forum without some proof. Surely if you're able to do all of what you say you can easily do an ABX, right?

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence.

BTW, before you accuse other people of not reading your own posts, you should probably read theirs:
Perhaps you should still go back to my messages and check again, I do proper A/B testing, and not just changing from one to the other, but also back and forth several times and noting the change observed each time something is changed. Nothing is revealed to the listener except that they may be a change during this pause, and the difference or the lack of is noted then go on to the next session.

You kept on insisting that the thing is not real, not true, and not reliable. Perhaps you should perform a massive test that consists of rigorous and scientific methods that you have been speaking about, and show us the results. As I have said, the test result are what I wrote for description of each cable, and I personally stand behind them. If I cannot be certain that the product achieve the said effect, then I will not write it into the description.

IMHO, you should really do some experiments rather than just kept working on theories of how it won't work.
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post #112 of 117
7/6/08 at 11:34pm
I would love to perform a test on any audiophile willing to in the Chicago/Chicago suburbs area. There's no point in me doing the test myself because I know that I'll get the inevitable "you have tin ears"
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post #113 of 117
7/6/08 at 11:45pm
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I would love to perform a test on any audiophile willing to in the Chicago/Chicago suburbs area. There's no point in me doing the test myself because I know that I'll get the inevitable "you have tin ears"
Well, tin ears or wooden ears as we call them here, isn't bad either, since that means you will not need to spend much on the audio gears compared to those who can hear a difference.


Do test cables that had been in use for quite some time, not just a bunch of brand new cables that have not been used before.
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post #114 of 117
7/7/08 at 9:03pm
Thread Starter 
I am thinking about ordering a couple more of the standard variety, anyone else?
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post #115 of 117
7/7/08 at 9:25pm
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I am thinking about ordering a couple more of the standard variety, anyone else?
Nice thread you started here. I ended up ordering one of the completely vanilla cords (all copper plugs) in a 3 m length. I've got a small variety of aftermarket power cords available so that I can compare it to those and find where I'd place it in my own personal preference ranking. I'm glad that you decided to start this thread to let us know about this very interesting product.
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post #116 of 117
7/7/08 at 10:56pm
I only need one at this time. May be I will get another one when I have a new CD player.
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post #117 of 117
7/17/08 at 8:39pm
Maniac, please clear your PM's, you're full again.





-Nick
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