Before I begin, I want to say a big thank you to this forum. To Jude for structuring this place such that a real community could flourish and prosper. The web is a fantastic environment for like-minds to encounter each other. No doubt, our love of music drives this place but our niche within a niche is something few really understand even if they can hear the advantages of finely reproduced music.
Music though is not something to take for granted. In fact, as Bono has remarked: "Music can change the world because it can change people."
This is very true. It can motivate a people to organize and fight for a grand cause. It can move people to tears causing great introspection. It brings one closer to oneself as well as to society as a whole. No human creation has the power to transcend like music.
Taking a handful of powerful quotes about music from great thinkers:
I have no pleasure in any man who despises music. It is no invention of ours: it is a gift of God. I place it next to theology. Satan hates music: he knows how it drives the evil spirit out of us.
Martin Luther
Without music, life would be an error. The German imagines even God singing songs
Friedrich Nietzsche
Music is the movement of sound to reach the soul for the education of its virtue.
Plato
All deep things are song. It seems somehow the very central essence of us, song; as if all the rest were but wrappages and hulls!
Thomas Carlyle
Take a music bath once or twice a week for a few seasons. You will find it is to the soul what a water bath is to the body.
Oliver Wendell Holmes
Why waste money on psychotherapy when you can listen to the B Minor Mass?
Michael Torke
Music is what feelings sound like.
Author Unknown
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life.
Ludwig van Beethoven
Music cleanses the understanding; inspires it, and lifts it into a realm which it would not reach if it were left to itself.
Henry Ward Beecher
Music's the medicine of the mind.
John A. Logan
Music is the universal language of mankind.
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent.
Victor Hugo
Music is an outburst of the soul
Frederick Delius
Its language is a language which the soul alone understands, but which the soul can never translate.
Arnold Bennett
Music expresses feeling and thought, without language; it was below and before speech, and it is above and beyond all words.
Robert G. Ingersoll
Music is the literature of the heart; it commences where speech ends.
Alphonse de Lamartine
Why are these quotes so important? They seem to reveal a central theme and thought about music, that it is beyond nature, beyond empirical science, beyond materialism. It is something other, something very much imcomprehensible. Trying to stay away from anything theological...it does tend to reveal that what music accomplishes is not readily empiracally validated. Even with wonderful works "This is your brain on music" neurologists have difficulty pinpointing exactly what music is all about.
No doubt for us, we are gathered to get the most out of music. Whereas many know they enjoy music, few really tend to understand it. Appreciation of well reproduced music takes great music and elevates it to another level, providing the listener with an experience that could only be superceded by listening to the performers live (and in some instances, the recordings sound better and are enjoyed in a better environment).
I first felt that music was something unique when I first heard a clarinet. It was played by a friend of mine and the sound touched me in a way that took hold of me. I immediately wanted to learn how to play this instrument and so I set off to learn in conjunction with the piano. Over the years, I had not been truly touched by music again(perhaps because being schooled in music somehow diminished my enjoyment of it) until I started to perform on stage. The first time I performed, I felt a rush of emotion that mimicked those emotions I felt when I first heard the clarinet. Each time I would get into the "zone" onstage I would revisit these emotions. Somehow uniting with my soul in a way I couldn't seem to in nearly any other way.
Later in life, I would encounter these same emotions when I first heard the Grado SR60's. My first venture into audiophilia, I was exposed to sound reproduction that made me sit up and take notice. I was washed in sound that seemed unnatural, near transcendental. I would sit for hours straight listening to CD after CD wondering why others were not into better gear to get closer to the music. Thus started my life-long relationship with better gear for better enjoyment of music.
It wasn't until I encountered Headwize and soon afterwards, Head-fi that I was able to bond with like-minded individuals. Not just music lovers, not just audiophiles, but Headphiles.
My time here has been wonderful and though like everything in life, there are times of ups and downs, Head-fi tends to be way up before it every hints at heading down. In fact, I have met some of my very closest friends on this board and they remain virtual only, though I hope to meet up with each one of them at some point in my life.
Among them have been wonderfully generous people who have let me borrow their gear or have helped me out in other ways. I can't ever adequately repay them for these experiences but I can "pay it forward" as it were. At least in a small way. Those who have touched me here know who they are and again I say thank you so very much. You have helped me not only on this journey of audiophilia but also in life because music is very much a part of me.
Thus, to give back to the community, I have been debating starting a Head-fi loaner programme. The potential for good is great, but the potential for disaster is not all that remote.
What could come of this? Well, if everything goes as planned, a whole lot of members would have the opportunity to listen to headphones they otherwise might not have the chance to hear without buying first. This may open their eyes and help them in their purchasing decisions. It might also give them, if only for a short time, some wholly awesome experiences enjoying music in a way they might otherwise never have had the opporunity to enjoy.
Of course, the flip side is that something could go wrong. Three things come to mind. The first is that the headphones are lost/damaged in transit. This is a real possibility but headphones are generally more robust than electronics, so the damaged part unless really given a solid whomping by the courier agents, would be more unlikely, but getting lost...sure this could happen. To help against loss or damage at the hands of the courier, insurance would be mandatory when shipping.
The second is that the phones become damaged when in the possession of the member. Things happen. Cats, kids, entropy, whatever... Life happens and sometimes headphone get damaged or destroyed. If they were to become damaged by an "act of God" (flood, lightning, earth quake, hurricane) then ideally home insurance would cover the damages if the "act" doesnt' fall under that "act of God" exclusion policy. Again, everything would be taken care of in time. Other things like fires, home theft etc, should be covered under regular home insurance in loss/damage policy so again we would be okay. But, if home insurance can't cover the damage because it was damaged in some other way, say spilling a liquid on them or having the dog devour them in a fit of rage, well then it would take the good nature of that person to step up and have them repaired and replaced. Here we start down a very steep and slippery slope: depending on the good will of others, i.e., trust.
The third and most destructive possibility is that a person's good nature would take a turn for the worst and they would steal the headphones. Disappearing from the site. This could happen to the most well respected member as it could to some unknown newbie.
Should I then proceed with my idea or have it halted before it gets out there in the world because of the possibilites of disaster?
Because of how great this place is, and overall how wonderful this community is, I am going to go out on a limb and test out the programme. I want to help expose as many people to great listening pleasure via better heapdhones as I can. This is worth the risk.
So how will it work? I'm not entirely sure yet to be honest.
How should it work? I have some ideas. The first policy would be that there is no entitlement. This has nothing to do with Head-fi itself or Jude, though perhaps in the future, it could in more than an abstract way. It has nothing to do with one's membership, as in, just because one is a member they are owed the chance to listen. No. This is not the case. Though these headphones will be purchased by me, I don't intend to ever possess them, use them, see them. When I buy them, I will have them shipped to the first person on the list and ideally they will begin a very long life of travel around the world. That said, I will be the one organizing the programme and if things go south in one way or the other I will expect the headphones back. I want these to essentially be the Forums' phones.
To start with, I am going to purchase two pairs of Grado SR-60's.
Why the SR-60's? For two reasons: the first is that these phones were my first exposure to audiophilia and they are very well regarded by Grado fans and non-fans alike. They are "giant killers," real ones. Few phones possess the overall quality of the SR60's at a great price. Which leads to my second reason, they are rather inexpensive and can take a beating. I can afford to pick up two pairs and do a test run of this programme. The first pair will remain in North America and the second will be sent to Europe. I know many Europeans have a tough time hearing Grados so I hope this will really benefit them.
If all goes well, once I graduate school (presumably finding a good job) I'll buy higher up through the line, maybe stepping up to the SR80's or maybe going directly to the SR-225's. My eventual plan is to have one of each Grado out there on each continent or quadrant of the world and then to move on to other companies as well.
The rules would be something like this:
I have in mind a 1-2 months listening time. 1 month should be more than enough but 2 months might seem more enticing given rule #2.
Shipping would have to be covered by the person shipping the phones. This is to help with the "pay it forward" idea. We would try to have it set up so that a person from the West coast wouldn't have to ship out to the East, keeping costs down as much as possible. Now, I realize that starting out with $70 headphones, shipping them out for $15-20 may not seem like a great deal to some, but hopefully the overall idea of the experience and the programme will be enough to keep it going and motivate people to participate.
Shipping would always include insurance for the actual value of the item and for a signature on delivery. I don't want to have anyone have the temptation of claiming they never received the item and then pocketting the phones. Shipping would also be standardized to some decent delivery time. No ground shipping or regular air. Express at least.
Pictures would be required to be sent to me which I will host. Pictures before sending the phones and pictures upon receiving them from each party. Ideally we would see pics before packed, packed (non-damaged box) and then on receipt, the box, then opened box and finally close ups of the phones. I want to know the phones are being taken care of. This helps also keep track of their condition over time.
The hardest rule now is the one that needs some serious thought. Who is eligible to participate?
I don't think the rules would need to be any more than the first four and the final eligibility one. Respect and trust are the two major aspects of this programme. I've been shafted in the past by folks when participating in community run programmes like the CD exchange where I have not received my gift twice now, which really really sucks, it makes me quite unmotivated to continue it or at least have me organize and participate in it. The first time was by a rather unknown member, pretty much a young newbie. The second time was by a very active member and that left a pretty bitter taste in my mouth.
Other members have tried a programme like this, though more unofficial, where they have loaned out headphones and then folks just keep them or claim they never arrived and conveniently disappear from the forums. Major members have outright stolen cash from people and never returned to pay them back or send out the gear that was promised. Whereas some brand new members have shown themselves to be stand up individuals willing to participate in a wonderful community. Should these good people be denied access expressly when this programme has as an intension to help folks in their purchasing decisions?
I'm at odds on this point and for that reason I'm starting this thread so I can get feedback regarding who ought to have permission to participate. How we will go about this etc. To start the programme, I won't deny it will first go to someone I know personally (if such a person is on the list) because I will hope the programme will start strong. I'm not as concerned at this point of the phones dispappearing, but it would really hurt if I had a pair of AKG k1000's, or some RS-1's or HE60's out there that get pinched. Everything might go smoothly until the higher end phones get out into circulation. I suppose I can deal with that when the time comes.
Anyhow, your input on how to structure the list would be appreciated.
Music though is not something to take for granted. In fact, as Bono has remarked: "Music can change the world because it can change people."
This is very true. It can motivate a people to organize and fight for a grand cause. It can move people to tears causing great introspection. It brings one closer to oneself as well as to society as a whole. No human creation has the power to transcend like music.
Taking a handful of powerful quotes about music from great thinkers:
I have no pleasure in any man who despises music. It is no invention of ours: it is a gift of God. I place it next to theology. Satan hates music: he knows how it drives the evil spirit out of us.
Martin Luther
Without music, life would be an error. The German imagines even God singing songs
Friedrich Nietzsche
Music is the movement of sound to reach the soul for the education of its virtue.
Plato
All deep things are song. It seems somehow the very central essence of us, song; as if all the rest were but wrappages and hulls!
Thomas Carlyle
Take a music bath once or twice a week for a few seasons. You will find it is to the soul what a water bath is to the body.
Oliver Wendell Holmes
Why waste money on psychotherapy when you can listen to the B Minor Mass?
Michael Torke
Music is what feelings sound like.
Author Unknown
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life.
Ludwig van Beethoven
Music cleanses the understanding; inspires it, and lifts it into a realm which it would not reach if it were left to itself.
Henry Ward Beecher
Music's the medicine of the mind.
John A. Logan
Music is the universal language of mankind.
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent.
Victor Hugo
Music is an outburst of the soul
Frederick Delius
Its language is a language which the soul alone understands, but which the soul can never translate.
Arnold Bennett
Music expresses feeling and thought, without language; it was below and before speech, and it is above and beyond all words.
Robert G. Ingersoll
Music is the literature of the heart; it commences where speech ends.
Alphonse de Lamartine
Why are these quotes so important? They seem to reveal a central theme and thought about music, that it is beyond nature, beyond empirical science, beyond materialism. It is something other, something very much imcomprehensible. Trying to stay away from anything theological...it does tend to reveal that what music accomplishes is not readily empiracally validated. Even with wonderful works "This is your brain on music" neurologists have difficulty pinpointing exactly what music is all about.
No doubt for us, we are gathered to get the most out of music. Whereas many know they enjoy music, few really tend to understand it. Appreciation of well reproduced music takes great music and elevates it to another level, providing the listener with an experience that could only be superceded by listening to the performers live (and in some instances, the recordings sound better and are enjoyed in a better environment).
I first felt that music was something unique when I first heard a clarinet. It was played by a friend of mine and the sound touched me in a way that took hold of me. I immediately wanted to learn how to play this instrument and so I set off to learn in conjunction with the piano. Over the years, I had not been truly touched by music again(perhaps because being schooled in music somehow diminished my enjoyment of it) until I started to perform on stage. The first time I performed, I felt a rush of emotion that mimicked those emotions I felt when I first heard the clarinet. Each time I would get into the "zone" onstage I would revisit these emotions. Somehow uniting with my soul in a way I couldn't seem to in nearly any other way.
Later in life, I would encounter these same emotions when I first heard the Grado SR60's. My first venture into audiophilia, I was exposed to sound reproduction that made me sit up and take notice. I was washed in sound that seemed unnatural, near transcendental. I would sit for hours straight listening to CD after CD wondering why others were not into better gear to get closer to the music. Thus started my life-long relationship with better gear for better enjoyment of music.
It wasn't until I encountered Headwize and soon afterwards, Head-fi that I was able to bond with like-minded individuals. Not just music lovers, not just audiophiles, but Headphiles.
My time here has been wonderful and though like everything in life, there are times of ups and downs, Head-fi tends to be way up before it every hints at heading down. In fact, I have met some of my very closest friends on this board and they remain virtual only, though I hope to meet up with each one of them at some point in my life.
Among them have been wonderfully generous people who have let me borrow their gear or have helped me out in other ways. I can't ever adequately repay them for these experiences but I can "pay it forward" as it were. At least in a small way. Those who have touched me here know who they are and again I say thank you so very much. You have helped me not only on this journey of audiophilia but also in life because music is very much a part of me.
Thus, to give back to the community, I have been debating starting a Head-fi loaner programme. The potential for good is great, but the potential for disaster is not all that remote.
What could come of this? Well, if everything goes as planned, a whole lot of members would have the opportunity to listen to headphones they otherwise might not have the chance to hear without buying first. This may open their eyes and help them in their purchasing decisions. It might also give them, if only for a short time, some wholly awesome experiences enjoying music in a way they might otherwise never have had the opporunity to enjoy.
Of course, the flip side is that something could go wrong. Three things come to mind. The first is that the headphones are lost/damaged in transit. This is a real possibility but headphones are generally more robust than electronics, so the damaged part unless really given a solid whomping by the courier agents, would be more unlikely, but getting lost...sure this could happen. To help against loss or damage at the hands of the courier, insurance would be mandatory when shipping.
The second is that the phones become damaged when in the possession of the member. Things happen. Cats, kids, entropy, whatever... Life happens and sometimes headphone get damaged or destroyed. If they were to become damaged by an "act of God" (flood, lightning, earth quake, hurricane) then ideally home insurance would cover the damages if the "act" doesnt' fall under that "act of God" exclusion policy. Again, everything would be taken care of in time. Other things like fires, home theft etc, should be covered under regular home insurance in loss/damage policy so again we would be okay. But, if home insurance can't cover the damage because it was damaged in some other way, say spilling a liquid on them or having the dog devour them in a fit of rage, well then it would take the good nature of that person to step up and have them repaired and replaced. Here we start down a very steep and slippery slope: depending on the good will of others, i.e., trust.
The third and most destructive possibility is that a person's good nature would take a turn for the worst and they would steal the headphones. Disappearing from the site. This could happen to the most well respected member as it could to some unknown newbie.
Should I then proceed with my idea or have it halted before it gets out there in the world because of the possibilites of disaster?
Because of how great this place is, and overall how wonderful this community is, I am going to go out on a limb and test out the programme. I want to help expose as many people to great listening pleasure via better heapdhones as I can. This is worth the risk.
So how will it work? I'm not entirely sure yet to be honest.
How should it work? I have some ideas. The first policy would be that there is no entitlement. This has nothing to do with Head-fi itself or Jude, though perhaps in the future, it could in more than an abstract way. It has nothing to do with one's membership, as in, just because one is a member they are owed the chance to listen. No. This is not the case. Though these headphones will be purchased by me, I don't intend to ever possess them, use them, see them. When I buy them, I will have them shipped to the first person on the list and ideally they will begin a very long life of travel around the world. That said, I will be the one organizing the programme and if things go south in one way or the other I will expect the headphones back. I want these to essentially be the Forums' phones.
To start with, I am going to purchase two pairs of Grado SR-60's.
Why the SR-60's? For two reasons: the first is that these phones were my first exposure to audiophilia and they are very well regarded by Grado fans and non-fans alike. They are "giant killers," real ones. Few phones possess the overall quality of the SR60's at a great price. Which leads to my second reason, they are rather inexpensive and can take a beating. I can afford to pick up two pairs and do a test run of this programme. The first pair will remain in North America and the second will be sent to Europe. I know many Europeans have a tough time hearing Grados so I hope this will really benefit them.
If all goes well, once I graduate school (presumably finding a good job) I'll buy higher up through the line, maybe stepping up to the SR80's or maybe going directly to the SR-225's. My eventual plan is to have one of each Grado out there on each continent or quadrant of the world and then to move on to other companies as well.
The rules would be something like this:
I have in mind a 1-2 months listening time. 1 month should be more than enough but 2 months might seem more enticing given rule #2.
Shipping would have to be covered by the person shipping the phones. This is to help with the "pay it forward" idea. We would try to have it set up so that a person from the West coast wouldn't have to ship out to the East, keeping costs down as much as possible. Now, I realize that starting out with $70 headphones, shipping them out for $15-20 may not seem like a great deal to some, but hopefully the overall idea of the experience and the programme will be enough to keep it going and motivate people to participate.
Shipping would always include insurance for the actual value of the item and for a signature on delivery. I don't want to have anyone have the temptation of claiming they never received the item and then pocketting the phones. Shipping would also be standardized to some decent delivery time. No ground shipping or regular air. Express at least.
Pictures would be required to be sent to me which I will host. Pictures before sending the phones and pictures upon receiving them from each party. Ideally we would see pics before packed, packed (non-damaged box) and then on receipt, the box, then opened box and finally close ups of the phones. I want to know the phones are being taken care of. This helps also keep track of their condition over time.
The hardest rule now is the one that needs some serious thought. Who is eligible to participate?
I don't think the rules would need to be any more than the first four and the final eligibility one. Respect and trust are the two major aspects of this programme. I've been shafted in the past by folks when participating in community run programmes like the CD exchange where I have not received my gift twice now, which really really sucks, it makes me quite unmotivated to continue it or at least have me organize and participate in it. The first time was by a rather unknown member, pretty much a young newbie. The second time was by a very active member and that left a pretty bitter taste in my mouth.
Other members have tried a programme like this, though more unofficial, where they have loaned out headphones and then folks just keep them or claim they never arrived and conveniently disappear from the forums. Major members have outright stolen cash from people and never returned to pay them back or send out the gear that was promised. Whereas some brand new members have shown themselves to be stand up individuals willing to participate in a wonderful community. Should these good people be denied access expressly when this programme has as an intension to help folks in their purchasing decisions?
I'm at odds on this point and for that reason I'm starting this thread so I can get feedback regarding who ought to have permission to participate. How we will go about this etc. To start the programme, I won't deny it will first go to someone I know personally (if such a person is on the list) because I will hope the programme will start strong. I'm not as concerned at this point of the phones dispappearing, but it would really hurt if I had a pair of AKG k1000's, or some RS-1's or HE60's out there that get pinched. Everything might go smoothly until the higher end phones get out into circulation. I suppose I can deal with that when the time comes.
Anyhow, your input on how to structure the list would be appreciated.







I think this type of programme can benefit the newbie as well as the established head-fier precisely because they don't have to spend money outside of the shipping to the next person. For the cost of a movie and some grub, one can enjoy a couple of months of music listening to a new headphone. It might motivate them to read up on a certain companies "sound" and maybe buy that model or buy up in the line. I know that if this goes REALLY well in the years to come and if K1000's are readily available, I would love to buy and try and if I loved them keep one pair and then send out another pair into the wild. If other members begin to donate headphones too, everyone wins so long as no one crashes the system.
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Though, very seriously, I like the idea of listening to these phones and reading others impressions and experiences that are packaged with them. I would really love to participate, but will stick it out for a while seeing as I recently owned the SR60 (well worth trying) and would much rather give others the chance.